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They make a mockery of the good news that all will be saved
doug:
--- Quote from: onelovedread on May 25, 2012, 10:30:41 AM ---Do you think you could find that teaching? Don't remember reading that.
Thanks
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Onelovedread, Howdy
After I learned of that shocking (to me) statement that no one from the time of Adam to Pentecost was not going to be in the first resurrection because they did not possess the Holy Spirit (in a thread that you had started and went astray with a statement I made) I spent nearly three weeks straight trying to tie spriptures together to confirm that doctrine.
Those scriptures that Kat and Ray gave me in that thread are still pending for me because I haven't satisfied myself as to a complete coherence to God's Word. I sure of what Ray and Kat are true - I just haven't put it together as yet.
Anyway, I poured myself into those articles on Ray's site and elsewhere on the web and I literally have a shoebox full of notes that I have taken on the matter of the Holy Spirit for OT and NT believers. And I am sorry to say that I didn't write down that statement about the Holy Spirit that I gave reference to. It could even be possible that it was in one of the emails that he had responded to. If I am remembering correctly it was in one of Ray's dissertations about the book of Revelation, but again, I am not sure.
I know that Ray did not use the term "denominational churches" and I only used that to differentiate churches and the true elect of God, the ecclesia, as some people get confused between the two. Since I quoted Ray as saying that and I am interested also, I will do my best to find that statement again.
Dave in Tenn:
When I read about Paul going to the synagogues to preach, it's (to my memory) rarely the 'leaders' who believed. Most of the time, the leaders plotted against him. There is a lot of value in public discourse, even if God continues to harden the hearts of the leaders. That's been His way since Egypt and Pharoah. A case in point is the open letters to Hagee and Kennedy on the front page. Their minds and hearts weren't changed (and if they read it, they only hardened their hearts), but others have been.
All this is fulfillment of prophecy. Everything is unfolding as He said it would. Someday it will be history. We might as well be on the right side of things as soon as we're ready.
doug:
--- Quote from: onelovedread on May 25, 2012, 10:30:41 AM ---Do you think you could find that teaching? Don't remember reading that.
Thanks
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I believe this may answer your question Onelovedread.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,305.0.html
Secondly, do those in "the church" have the Spirit?
Comment: NO, they have "a" spirit.
If so, how did it come, why do they have it, and why is it so unproductive?
Comment: Oh, but their spirit of Satan is most productive. Along with doing "many wonderful works," they have succeeded in "deceiving the WHOLE WORLD."
If not, how do those in "His church" get it, since it is most often that they come out of "the church"?
Comment: Coming out of the church is the only way that one will be given the Holy Spirit of God
Like I said Onelovedread, In my opinion, this is one tough "hard saying"! I had to get up and away from my computer and get a drink of water... and now that I have let it soak in for a few weeks... I believe that it is absolutely true. Old "doctrines" die hard. This definitely isn't "milk" for those that are in the church. This teaching goes right along with the LOF Series XI at the heading "To Which Church Do I Belong". It all fits together.
By the way - After I had skimmed through several LOF Series and couldn't find that particular quote, I was about ready to answer you by my recanting of that quote until a brother from this forum PM'd me with the link in question. Again, thank you brother!
doug
doug:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on May 25, 2012, 12:46:34 PM ---When I read about Paul going to the synagogues to preach, it's (to my memory) rarely the 'leaders' who believed. Most of the time, the leaders plotted against him. There is a lot of value in public discourse, even if God continues to harden the hearts of the leaders. That's been His way since Egypt and Pharoah. A case in point is the open letters to Hagee and Kennedy on the front page. Their minds and hearts weren't changed (and if they read it, they only hardened their hearts), but others have been.
All this is fulfillment of prophecy. Everything is unfolding as He said it would. Someday it will be history. We might as well be on the right side of things as soon as we're ready.
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Hi Dave,
You are so correct... I wasn't thinking clearly. That's how we all learn... from other's debating the Scriptures. That is where I have learned so much Truth. Through arguing and debate. You have very good insight.
I haven't listened to any of those big name preachers since Jimmy Swaggart and Tammy Faye were in vogue. That cured me once and for all! Occasionally on a Sunday morning when I will pay my mom a visit she will be listening to TBN and then quickly turn the station... as she knows how I feel about churches and especially their pastors and that I would just make an about turn and walk out the door. Today's churches are nothing but "Synagogues of Satan". I am repulsed by todays churches.
Thanks for challenging me on my statement, as I get carried away sometimes.
In Christ, doug
onelovedread:
Thanks Doug. You're a man of your word:)
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