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Time and Eternity
Kat:
Hi Dan,
God is omnipresent, He is everywhere all the time and see all things. And only in Him do all things consist/hold together (Col 1:17).
Pro 15:3 The eyes of the LORD are in every place,
Keeping watch on the evil and the good.
Psa 139:7 Where can I go from Your Spirit?
Or where can I flee from Your presence?
v. 8 If I ascend into heaven, You are there;
If I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there.
v. 9 If I take the wings of the morning,
And dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea,
v. 10 Even there Your hand shall lead me,
And Your right hand shall hold me.
v. 11 If I say, "Surely the darkness shall fall on me,"
Even the night shall be light about me;
v. 12 Indeed, the darkness shall not hide from You,
But the night shines as the day;
The darkness and the light are both alike to You.
Jer 23:23 "Am I a God near at hand," says the LORD,
"And not a God afar off?
v. 24 Can anyone hide himself in secret places,
So I shall not see him?" says the LORD;
"Do I not fill heaven and earth?" says the LORD.
Also as God is sovereign, which means He ultimately controls all things.
Rom 9:13 As it is written, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated."
v. 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not!
v. 15 For He says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion."
v. 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.
v. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth."
v. 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
v. 19 You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?"
v. 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?"
v. 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?
v. 22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
v. 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory,
v. 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Think about what this is saying, God is doing what has to be done for this creation to turn out in the most wonderful way that He wants, even if He needs to "endured with much longsuffering," so that it will be so.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
John from Kentucky:
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,12934.0.html
Read the April 2, 2011 message from Ray, attached, starting a little down from the top.
Our understanding of God---the Father and Jesus---Who they are and how They interact---is far, far from complete. Ray was studying this matter the last year.
Ray admits that his paper on the trinity does not account for and explain all the scriptures on this matter. Ray also states that this matter is the most amazing thing we will learn from the scriptures.
If the Father is God and Jesus is God, then you have two Gods, but the scriptures teach that there is only One God.
Somewhere Ray also wrote that in Genesis, where it says man is being created in the image of God, the word for image is not just referring to a spiritual image, but an actual form and image.
Ray had also asked the question how could Jesus be the express image of the Father if the Father has no image.
Since Ray has died, and we don't have his complete thought on this issue, then this matter is for our private study and meditation.
Maybe we won't have full understanding until after the resurrection. But if that is so, then why did God bring up these questions through Ray but not provide us with full understanding?
I have been thinking of little else the past year, hoping Ray would give us further insights. A significant part of the answer is found in the second part of Ray's creed---that Jesus is God's Authorized Autobiography.
Ray also wrote that he now knew the Father's name. All of this is extremely fascinating to me.
eggi:
Hi all,
Joining the club, this fascinates me as well. Although I'm sure I would have a hard time grasping it, because I don't yet see what is in the second part of Ray's creed. Nor do I see what is in the first. But that's just me at this point. If I, God willing, will spend some years meditating on it, it'll come to me. That would be wonderful. Ray really had an amazing insight into things that not many people think about.
God bless you,
Eirik
whyisthatso:
For me, as I can understand, the best way to describe the "relationship" ( but Im not sure thats the right word) between the Father and Son is to say.........When you see a policeman on the street, that man is "the law" to YOU, but that man is not THE LAW.
whyisthatso:
But the "relationship" is a matter of thought.............literally.
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