I was watching another Ray vedio and was surprised to hear him say some here came from Worldwide, I was in there myself for 10 years. After I left I knew I probally would never try another church again. I was thinking about the thread I asked to be closed here and I never really got into explaining the path that led me to thinking about Gods Image being consciousness, and the scriptures involved in that path of thinking. I think I owe at least that explination. Again, not to convince, or beat a dead horse here, but to explain my path of thinking; I would never believe something that is not in scripture.
In Gen. 1:26-27 what distingushes us from all other things? I think consciousness is the answer. Consciousness is the governor of human behavior, and if you read Col. 3:11 where it states that Christ is " All and in All", that verse was one of the paths to my thinking on this. How can Christ be All and " In" all? Does that mean everyone has the Holy Spirit of God? Well no, can't mean that. But, everyone has a consciousness, and it is there that Christ is all and " In All." We all have a consciousness.
In 1Corinth. 15:49 I believe the " Image of the earthy" is consciousness. In Gen. 5:3 Adams son was in his " Image and Likeness", which I view as him being conscious as Adam was.
Consciousness is awareness, thoughts and feelings; degree of reflection,activity; internal knowledge; " Waking Life." One can say all of these things actually describe Jesus relation to the Father, since Jesus is the Image of God. I think we can rightly say he is the exact representation of God, or he is the collective thought of God; he is the awareness of God, the knowledge of God , the intrests of God, the concerns of God are expressed in him; I think we can then surely say that Jesus is the consciousness of God.
Consciousness is " Waking awareness", in John 11:25 Jesus said " I am the ressurection", or he is the waking awareness! When a human mind is taken from the path of deception and placed on the path of the truth, that " New Consciousness" is a ressurection of sorts, or waking awareness; something that is now in your mind that was not there before, and you didnot put it there yourself.
Consciousness is wisdom - knowing how it is or what it is like.
In Romans 8:29, we are predestined to become conformed to the image of his Son. You can almost put " Consciousness" everywhere image appears and not retard the integrity of the meaning of scripture. In some cases receive more meaning. Conformed to the Consciousness of his Son, or receive the " Mind of Christ." How can we have Christ mind? Well we can be placed on the actual path of his consciousness, or awareness; his waking awareness; his ressurection- it all still fits together. And if you study this, you will see it keeps fitting together in a definte path of scripture.
In Heb. 1:3 , Jesus is " The express Image of God", the radiance of his glory, the " Exact representation of his nature", all this points to him having the consciousness of his Father. The exactness is moreso in consciousness, or the concerns and intrests of God; the activity of God; the thoughts and feelings of God; the internal knowledge of God; the collective thought of God, OR, the consciousness of God.
Jesus " Ressembles God"; how do we resemble God? Well we think; we are conscious; we are " Like him."
In 1Corinth. 8:7 it mentions a conscious being weak is defiled. What do demons go after in order to defile a human.? They target the conscious, they look to distort the image, therefore perverting the path the person may be on toward truth.
Anyhow I just wanted to give the respect of some scriptures as to why I believe this; I would never believe something that is not biblical. I apoligise, I should have shown some scriptures in my first thread and explained and shared why. So I just thought I would give that respect and mu mind can at least be at rest and peace, not wanting to share things without biblical explination.
Anyhow, there are more scriptures, but I wanted to at least leave these few.
Peace.
Dear Mikiel,
You're saying, God is Consciousness, without really coming out and saying it.
God is aware, yes.
God enlightens people, yes.
God is the Creator.
Nowhere does it ever say that God is consciousness.
I Googled "God is consciousness." Just for fun! Yes, I know you said, God's
image is consciousness, but we've already established the fact that Christ IS God, so that's the same thing as saying God is consciousness. And you'll never guess what I got -- Bill Hicks. The
comedian.
Unbelievable.
Well, Bill is dead but he was quoted as saying:
"
God is consciousness and we are all God trying to realize our full potential"
(I'd put up a video of Bill, but the poor guy couldn't get through an entire sentence without dropping the F-bomb. Not judging. Better than real ones. That's what I always say.)
We are all God [consciousness] trying to realize our full potential? But Bill is currently not conscious of anything seeing how he's currently DEAD. So, one can assume Bill is NOT God.
And last time I checked, I wasn't worshiping "Consciousness"; I was worshiping the Creator.
Then, you say:
How can Christ be All and " In" all? Does that mean everyone has the Holy Spirit of God? Well no, can't mean that. But, everyone has a consciousness, and it is there that Christ is all and " In All." We all have a consciousness. Christ is all in all?
1 Cor. 15:28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him [Christ], then shall the Son also Himself be subject unto Him [GOD, THE FATHER] that put all things under Him [Christ], that God [THE FATHER] may be all in all.Then you said:
Consciousness is wisdom.
Mikiel, there is no consciousness in "wisdom." God birthed wisdom; however, there is no consciousness in wisdom. What are you talking about? Christ has wisdom and so does God the Father. But Christ came out from the Father AFTER God birthed wisdom.
And if consciousness means wisdom, then everyone with a functioning brain would never be weak. Christ's flesh was as WEAK as any other mortal human being (only insofar as Christ was acquainted with sickness,
not that when He was tempted that He sinned--I'm not saying that!).
And it would mean that no one who has Christ living in them (we are the temple of God) would ever be unwise. But you said:
In 1Corinth. 8:7 it mentions a conscious being weak is defiled . What do demons go after in order to defile a human.? They target the conscious, they look to distort the image, therefore perverting the path the person may be on toward truth. Conscious made weak? By what? By the
flesh. If it weren't for these physical bodies with these physical desires and passions, Satan couldn't "dine" on us. If Satan could dine on consciousness without a physical body, then God would have had no reason to
first make the physical, and
then the spiritual.
Job 2:2
And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
Satan also has consciousness and he is most definitely aware of God. You see he spoke with God directly, according to the book of Job. But does Satan also possess
wisdom?
I'm sorry, Mikiel--you're not making sense, to me.
1 Cor. 15:56
But that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.If all that we needed in order to
know Christ and be like God, was "consciousness" (and consciousness is not material, but immaterial), for what purpose did God make the material universe and humanity with bodies and brains? Why did God feel it was necessary to bring about a physical creation
first?