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mickiel:
I was watching another Ray vedio and was surprised to hear him say some here came from Worldwide, I was in there myself for 10 years. After I left I knew I probally would never try another church again. I was thinking about the thread I asked to be closed here and I never really got into explaining the path that led me to thinking about Gods Image being consciousness, and the scriptures involved in that path of thinking. I think I owe at least that explination. Again, not to convince, or beat a dead horse here, but to explain my path of thinking; I would never believe something that is not in scripture.
In Gen. 1:26-27 what distingushes us from all other things? I think consciousness is the answer. Consciousness is the governor of human behavior, and if you read Col. 3:11 where it states that Christ is " All and in All", that verse was one of the paths to my thinking on this. How can Christ be All and " In" all? Does that mean everyone has the Holy Spirit of God? Well no, can't mean that. But, everyone has a consciousness, and it is there that Christ is all and " In All." We all have a consciousness.
In 1Corinth. 15:49 I believe the " Image of the earthy" is consciousness. In Gen. 5:3 Adams son was in his " Image and Likeness", which I view as him being conscious as Adam was.
Consciousness is awareness, thoughts and feelings; degree of reflection,activity; internal knowledge; " Waking Life." One can say all of these things actually describe Jesus relation to the Father, since Jesus is the Image of God. I think we can rightly say he is the exact representation of God, or he is the collective thought of God; he is the awareness of God, the knowledge of God , the intrests of God, the concerns of God are expressed in him; I think we can then surely say that Jesus is the consciousness of God.
Consciousness is " Waking awareness", in John 11:25 Jesus said " I am the ressurection", or he is the waking awareness! When a human mind is taken from the path of deception and placed on the path of the truth, that " New Consciousness" is a ressurection of sorts, or waking awareness; something that is now in your mind that was not there before, and you didnot put it there yourself.
Consciousness is wisdom - knowing how it is or what it is like.
In Romans 8:29, we are predestined to become conformed to the image of his Son. You can almost put " Consciousness" everywhere image appears and not retard the integrity of the meaning of scripture. In some cases receive more meaning. Conformed to the Consciousness of his Son, or receive the " Mind of Christ." How can we have Christ mind? Well we can be placed on the actual path of his consciousness, or awareness; his waking awareness; his ressurection- it all still fits together. And if you study this, you will see it keeps fitting together in a definte path of scripture.
In Heb. 1:3 , Jesus is " The express Image of God", the radiance of his glory, the " Exact representation of his nature", all this points to him having the consciousness of his Father. The exactness is moreso in consciousness, or the concerns and intrests of God; the activity of God; the thoughts and feelings of God; the internal knowledge of God; the collective thought of God, OR, the consciousness of God.
Jesus " Ressembles God"; how do we resemble God? Well we think; we are conscious; we are " Like him."
In 1Corinth. 8:7 it mentions a conscious being weak is defiled. What do demons go after in order to defile a human.? They target the conscious, they look to distort the image, therefore perverting the path the person may be on toward truth.
Anyhow I just wanted to give the respect of some scriptures as to why I believe this; I would never believe something that is not biblical. I apoligise, I should have shown some scriptures in my first thread and explained and shared why. So I just thought I would give that respect and mu mind can at least be at rest and peace, not wanting to share things without biblical explination.
Anyhow, there are more scriptures, but I wanted to at least leave these few.
Peace.
indianabob:
Hi Mickiel,
Reading your several recent letters makes me curious to get to know more about you. If you would like we can share additional detail in P M's private messages, to avoid exposing ourselves to any spam from casual readers.
I am particularly interested in your history with WCG and how you came to join yourself to them and why you left after so many years. I had similar experiences and family difficulties etc. from 1969 to 1999.
Please contact me privately in "my messages" section if interested.
Sincerely, Indianabob
--- Quote from: mickiel on June 09, 2012, 02:00:00 PM ---
I was watching another Ray vedio and was surprised to hear him say some here came from Worldwide, I was in there myself for 10 years. After I left I knew I probally would never try another church again. I was thinking about the thread I asked to be closed here and I never really got into explaining the path that led me to thinking about Gods Image being consciousness, and the scriptures involved in that path of thinking. I think I owe at least that explination. Again, not to convince, or beat a dead horse here, but to explain my path of thinking; I would never believe something that is not in scripture.
In Gen. 1:26-27 what distingushes us from all other things? I think consciousness is the answer. Consciousness is the governor of human behavior, and if you read Col. 3:11 where it states that Christ is " All and in All", that verse was one of the paths to my thinking on this. How can Christ be All and " In" all? Does that mean everyone has the Holy Spirit of God? Well no, can't mean that. But, everyone has a consciousness, and it is there that Christ is all and " In All." We all have a consciousness.
In 1Corinth. 15:49 I believe the " Image of the earthy" is consciousness. In Gen. 5:3 Adams son was in his " Image and Likeness", which I view as him being conscious as Adam was.
Consciousness is awareness, thoughts and feelings; degree of reflection,activity; internal knowledge; " Waking Life." One can say all of these things actually describe Jesus relation to the Father, since Jesus is the Image of God. I think we can rightly say he is the exact representation of God, or he is the collective thought of God; he is the awareness of God, the knowledge of God , the intrests of God, the concerns of God are expressed in him; I think we can then surely say that Jesus is the consciousness of God.
Consciousness is " Waking awareness", in John 11:25 Jesus said " I am the ressurection", or he is the waking awareness! When a human mind is taken from the path of deception and placed on the path of the truth, that " New Consciousness" is a ressurection of sorts, or waking awareness; something that is now in your mind that was not there before, and you didnot put it there yourself.
Consciousness is wisdom - knowing how it is or what it is like.
In Romans 8:29, we are predestined to become conformed to the image of his Son. You can almost put " Consciousness" everywhere image appears and not retard the integrity of the meaning of scripture. In some cases receive more meaning. Conformed to the Consciousness of his Son, or receive the " Mind of Christ." How can we have Christ mind? Well we can be placed on the actual path of his consciousness, or awareness; his waking awareness; his ressurection- it all still fits together. And if you study this, you will see it keeps fitting together in a definte path of scripture.
In Heb. 1:3 , Jesus is " The express Image of God", the radiance of his glory, the " Exact representation of his nature", all this points to him having the consciousness of his Father. The exactness is moreso in consciousness, or the concerns and intrests of God; the activity of God; the thoughts and feelings of God; the internal knowledge of God; the collective thought of God, OR, the consciousness of God.
Jesus " Ressembles God"; how do we resemble God? Well we think; we are conscious; we are " Like him."
In 1Corinth. 8:7 it mentions a conscious being weak is defiled. What do demons go after in order to defile a human.? They target the conscious, they look to distort the image, therefore perverting the path the person may be on toward truth.
Anyhow I just wanted to give the respect of some scriptures as to why I believe this; I would never believe something that is not biblical. I apoligise, I should have shown some scriptures in my first thread and explained and shared why. So I just thought I would give that respect and mu mind can at least be at rest and peace, not wanting to share things without biblical explination.
Anyhow, there are more scriptures, but I wanted to at least leave these few.
Peace.
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mickiel:
--- Quote from: indianabob on June 09, 2012, 02:36:49 PM ---Hi Mickiel,
Reading your several recent letters makes me curious to get to know more about you. If you would like we can share additional detail in P M's private messages, to avoid exposing ourselves to any spam from casual readers.
I am particularly interested in your history with WCG and how you came to join yourself to them and why you left after so many years. I had similar experiences and family difficulties etc. from 1969 to 1999.
Please contact me privately in "my messages" section if interested.
Sincerely, Indianabob
--- Quote from: mickiel on June 09, 2012, 02:00:00 PM ---
Greetings Bob,
I don't mind sharing that publically; Years ago I knew and understood that my mind was not on the same track of common religious thought, and that was what attracted me to worldwide. It was different to me and I actually could agree with some things. Knowledge must appeal to our personage , where God is concerned; and Worldwide just appealed to me personally. What they were teaching. After they broke up and seperated on the Sabbath teaching, I just kind of floated away from them, never to return. I kind of viewed the confusion, I asked God to never allow me to depend on the teaching of men again, and asked him to teach me directly.
A bold request, but I think God answered that intense prayer, and I have walked alone ever since. It was the last bit of " Fellowship" that I had. I have visted other sites that I have been attracted to, but things never seem to unify for me and perminent fellowship. Some of my views are quite differing, but I have learned to respect where I vist. I think God is distributing his truth in more than one place, here a little, there a little, and that is to be respected when visiting. In my early years of this path I was " Headhunting", enraged with things I was seeing and was determined to right the wrong everywhere I went. I made many errors in fellowshipping in those years that I regret. But I think God filtered me through Worldwide for his own reasons, perhaps like some here; there was something to gain. And then he wanted me to move on.
Sometimes we just have to eat the crumbs where God gives them, but the ultimate experience in learning, is to learn from the Spirit directly. Why God filtered me through Worldwide, I basically don't know. Why he has not given me his Spirit perminently, again, I basically don't know. But I understand that I cannot understand his truth on my own, so I know he wants me to know certain things, and I am just grateful for that.
Peace.
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John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: mickiel on June 09, 2012, 02:00:00 PM ---
I was watching another Ray vedio and was surprised to hear him say some here came from Worldwide, I was in there myself for 10 years. After I left I knew I probally would never try another church again. I was thinking about the thread I asked to be closed here and I never really got into explaining the path that led me to thinking about Gods Image being consciousness, and the scriptures involved in that path of thinking. I think I owe at least that explination. Again, not to convince, or beat a dead horse here, but to explain my path of thinking; I would never believe something that is not in scripture.
In Gen. 1:26-27 what distingushes us from all other things? I think consciousness is the answer. Consciousness is the governor of human behavior, and if you read Col. 3:11 where it states that Christ is " All and in All", that verse was one of the paths to my thinking on this. How can Christ be All and " In" all? Does that mean everyone has the Holy Spirit of God? Well no, can't mean that. But, everyone has a consciousness, and it is there that Christ is all and " In All." We all have a consciousness.
In 1Corinth. 15:49 I believe the " Image of the earthy" is consciousness. In Gen. 5:3 Adams son was in his " Image and Likeness", which I view as him being conscious as Adam was.
Consciousness is awareness, thoughts and feelings; degree of reflection,activity; internal knowledge; " Waking Life." One can say all of these things actually describe Jesus relation to the Father, since Jesus is the Image of God. I think we can rightly say he is the exact representation of God, or he is the collective thought of God; he is the awareness of God, the knowledge of God , the intrests of God, the concerns of God are expressed in him; I think we can then surely say that Jesus is the consciousness of God.
Consciousness is " Waking awareness", in John 11:25 Jesus said " I am the ressurection", or he is the waking awareness! When a human mind is taken from the path of deception and placed on the path of the truth, that " New Consciousness" is a ressurection of sorts, or waking awareness; something that is now in your mind that was not there before, and you didnot put it there yourself.
Consciousness is wisdom - knowing how it is or what it is like.
In Romans 8:29, we are predestined to become conformed to the image of his Son. You can almost put " Consciousness" everywhere image appears and not retard the integrity of the meaning of scripture. In some cases receive more meaning. Conformed to the Consciousness of his Son, or receive the " Mind of Christ." How can we have Christ mind? Well we can be placed on the actual path of his consciousness, or awareness; his waking awareness; his ressurection- it all still fits together. And if you study this, you will see it keeps fitting together in a definte path of scripture.
In Heb. 1:3 , Jesus is " The express Image of God", the radiance of his glory, the " Exact representation of his nature", all this points to him having the consciousness of his Father. The exactness is moreso in consciousness, or the concerns and intrests of God; the activity of God; the thoughts and feelings of God; the internal knowledge of God; the collective thought of God, OR, the consciousness of God.
Jesus " Ressembles God"; how do we resemble God? Well we think; we are conscious; we are " Like him."
In 1Corinth. 8:7 it mentions a conscious being weak is defiled. What do demons go after in order to defile a human.? They target the conscious, they look to distort the image, therefore perverting the path the person may be on toward truth.
Anyhow I just wanted to give the respect of some scriptures as to why I believe this; I would never believe something that is not biblical. I apoligise, I should have shown some scriptures in my first thread and explained and shared why. So I just thought I would give that respect and mu mind can at least be at rest and peace, not wanting to share things without biblical explination.
Anyhow, there are more scriptures, but I wanted to at least leave these few.
Peace.
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Mickiel,
I was in the Worldwide Church of God for 25 years. I guess it shows how spiritually stupid I was to not run away from that madhouse sooner than I did.
I read what you wrote above. In my opinion, it is total heresy. You do what most do. That is, you take a personal opinion and shoehorn it into several scriptures that you think support your opinion. Then you deceive yourself into thinking it is God's truth. Yep, that is what we did in the Worldwide Church of God.
Real scriptural truth is found in two or three scriptural witnesses to a truth. The scriptures are clear and do not have to be forced. Spirit witnesses to spirit and those with God's Spirit clearly see the truth.
Your teaching above does not ring true. After God put me through the evil of the Worlwide Church of God, which was a great blessing from the Great God, after that spiritual burning, I have a profound aversion to any teaching that is not supported by God's two witnesses.
John
mickiel:
[quote author=John from Kentucky link=topic=14Mickiel,
I was in the Worldwide Church of God for 25 years. I guess it shows how spiritually stupid I was to not run away from that madhouse sooner than I did.
I read what you wrote above. In my opinion, it is total heresy. You do what most do. That is, you take a personal opinion and shoehorn it into several scriptures that you think support your opinion. Then you deceive yourself into thinking it is God's truth. Yep, that is what we did in the Worldwide Church of God.
Real scriptural truth is found in two or three scriptural witnesses to a truth. The scriptures are clear and do not have to be forced. Spirit witnesses to spirit and those with God's Spirit clearly see the truth.
Your teaching above does not ring true. After God put me through the evil of the Worlwide Church of God, which was a great blessing from the Great God, after that spiritual burning, I have a profound aversion to any teaching that is not supported by God's two witnesses.
John
[/quote]
Greetings John,
I understand you. First of all, I am not " Teaching", I am simply sharing my views; this is how the Spirit has impressed me. I view things differently than you. If God decides to drag me through some mud, then I see value in the mud. The experience in Worldwide was not a waste of my time, or God wouldnot have done it to me. Moses was dragged through Egypt for a purpose, then dragged out of it for another purpose. Worldwide, Egypt- there is no difference in my view of things : God could have left me there. But he didnot.
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