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Spirit 'of' God, or, God is spirit.
Revilonivek:
Thanks Denise. I'm not certain I agree with your 'domino' theory, in that, if anything happened it wasn't by any 'help' from an outside force as it would be personal intent with purpose.
"The force"..? Wouldn't you agree that might be putting an awfully disturbing impersonal approach to a self-exclaimed, exampled, loving and merciful God that has a plan of redemption for all?
Not a matter and no need to address. Sometimes I can read too much into something when it isn't there at all.
gk
The force may be a better term but maybe not for you. Really God has many names, you can call him by whatever names and He would know who you are referring to. God is everywhere where Force is needed. I am simply referring to how the force works and it meets all the charaterisitics that God carries. read the bible and compare the characteristics between force and God. it's pretty much the same. the name god really ruined it for me, thanks to many mythologies' gods and so on.. it infereres with my thinking of who God really is. Ray has already pointed out that God is a title.
About the domino effect, I was using a metaphor, not literally. Have you ever tried to set up dominos from start to finish the way you wanted it to? you would know where the first domino would start and where the last domino would end? it is because you designed it the way you wanted it to.
Same thing. God started the domino effect by creating the world, creating mankind, putting that tree in the garden...that alone pushed down the first domino and that fallen domino started to effect the other dominos all the way to the end. The dark ages in the old testament to utopia God wants in the future. Force does that. That is how he foreknew everything before the world began because he designed it. He knew how it would start and how it would end. The force is a neutral influence that gives everything its vitality, strength or purpose and animates everything, including the soul. Nothing is without the force's influence. Nothing is outside the force, That is why we do not have free will.
To divulge a bit. Everything you see here. train your eyes to see God, see the force action all around you. That is God that you can see in this present life anyway by following your eyes to it's footsteps it leaves behind. It's like trying to see the wind but you feel it and know it's there without needing to see the actual wind. Same thing, You can't see the force but you can follow it's footsteps. it's the great authority over all things. the force is necessary and without it will be no life.
I know I don't make sense right now, I really believe God is neutral and is trying to get us to become neutral as well. WE are the protons and electrons in this world and that serves a purpose for a time. All in due time, right?
Denise
GaryK:
--- Quote from: Revilonivek on June 12, 2012, 07:46:21 PM ---Thanks Denise. I'm not certain I agree with your 'domino' theory, in that, if anything happened it wasn't by any 'help' from an outside force as it would be personal intent with purpose.
"The force"..? Wouldn't you agree that might be putting an awfully disturbing impersonal approach to a self-exclaimed, exampled, loving and merciful God that has a plan of redemption for all?
Not a matter and no need to address. Sometimes I can read too much into something when it isn't there at all.
gk
The force may be a better term but maybe not for you. Really God has many names, you can call him by whatever names and He would know who you are referring to. God is everywhere where Force is needed. I am simply referring to how the force works and it meets all the charaterisitics that God carries. read the bible and compare the characteristics between force and God. it's pretty much the same. the name god really ruined it for me, thanks to many mythologies' gods and so on.. it infereres with my thinking of who God really is. Ray has already pointed out that God is a title.
About the domino effect, I was using a metaphor, not literally. Have you ever tried to set up dominos from start to finish the way you wanted it to? you would know where the first domino would start and where the last domino would end? it is because you designed it the way you wanted it to.
Same thing. God started the domino effect by creating the world, creating mankind, putting that tree in the garden...that alone pushed down the first domino and that fallen domino started to effect the other dominos all the way to the end. The dark ages in the old testament to utopia God wants in the future. Force does that. That is how he foreknew everything before the world began because he designed it. He knew how it would start and how it would end. The force is a neutral influence that gives everything its vitality, strength or purpose and animates everything, including the soul. Nothing is without the force's influence. Nothing is outside the force, That is why we do not have free will.
To divulge a bit. Everything you see here. train your eyes to see God, see the force action all around you. That is God that you can see in this present life anyway by following your eyes to it's footsteps it leaves behind. It's like trying to see the wind but you feel it and know it's there without needing to see the actual wind. Same thing, You can't see the force but you can follow it's footsteps. it's the great authority over all things. the force is necessary and without it will be no life.
I know I don't make sense right now, I really believe God is neutral and is trying to get us to become neutral as well. WE are the protons and electrons in this world and that serves a purpose for a time. All in due time, right?
Denise
--- End quote ---
Hi Denise. I'm pretty sure I got your metaphor although God may be a big fan of dominoes, who knows. ;D
The volley back on the domino theory was simply to suggest
...................hey, you know what? Doesn't matter.
For now you have your view and I have mine. It isn't that I don't understand where you're coming from, it's just a bit too cold and impersonal for me at this point. My fingertips are grasping the dusty sand beaten ledge of a loooooong deep creviced struggle back to where I can re-trust God. I don't think I'm ready to understand him as an impersonal 'force'. Let's leave it be, I'm happy to do that.
gk
Revilonivek:
Yeah. Its how I understand so far. Just offering a thought. Force seems to fit Gods characteristics as well. Life cannot function without force. I could name so many similarities. I will admit I am not there yet but I do come to realize that God is the gravity of life.
The bible did say knowledge will increase in the last days which is true. We do know alot about science" mathematics, physics, reason, and so on far more than those people in the old testament ever did. Same goes for new testament for hundreds oof ye
Years and more.
You can see that people in old teatament would fear God when there's an earthquake but they don't know that iits a earthquake or why it happens. There's a part I think in the oldtestament that speaks of a volcano spewing but that people didn't know hoe a volcano work but they writr it up to God being angry or showing authority so they show fear and submission.
There are numerous examples of mother nature that people couldn't explain but write it off to God. Now, according to the bible,we know that God works with mother nature to shoe his authority. That's force at work. Nothing can happen outside of force.
I know I sound like a nut for bringing that up but its where I'm at but it doesn't mean I'm there yet. Its just a glimpse. Maybe the force action that occurs s just his footsteps he leaves behind? Who knows for sure anyway. We will all understand one day.
Ill leave it at that. :)
Kat:
I was thinking about these words used for God, 'force,' 'consciousness.' What these word show are, imo, attributes of God. Yes He is a force, yes He does have consciousness, but these by themselves fall far short of the limitlessness of what God is. He is also love, intellect, wisdom, perfection, purity, etc... a few more words that tell us of some of His attributes that help us understand Him better by these descriptions of Him. I came across this comment that expresses one way to look at who God is and found it very interest.
He possesses in Himself, absolutely and independently, the entire reason of His uncaused infinite Being.
There is no real way to express the fullness of the Glory and Divinity of this Eternal God with mere words, they will always be lacking.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
GaryK:
--- Quote from: Kat on June 13, 2012, 10:19:26 AM ---
There is no real way to express the fullness of the Glory and Divinity of this Eternal God with mere words, they will always be lacking.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
--- End quote ---
Isaiah 55:9
New International Version (NIV)
9 “ As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.”
Just a thought that came to mind to go along with that Kat.
gk
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