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Our Heavenly Father's Name & will we ever see Him
Kenneth Clark:
anytime you see a capital LORD it is YHWH in the original Hebrew
John from Kentucky:
Kat,
In his April 2, 2011 email Ray stated that his trinity paper did not bring together all the scriptures concerning this Enigma of God matter that he was studying this last year.
Ray also said that this Enigma of God matter could be the most important truth revealed by the scriptures.
And in another email Ray stated that at least he now knew the name of the Father.
So Ray did know certain key points in the scriptures that he did not share with us.
One big clue is the end of his recent article on his Creed.
I assume I'm not the only one intrigued by the clues he gave us. Also, I've been trying to put the clues together on my own.
I would be interested in anything Dennis could provide us from Ray's unpublished papers just to see if I'm on the right track.
God put into our hearts this desire to know Him, and we are wanting to push the envelope of the understanding of God. As has been said, "To boldly go where no man has gone before."
John
P.S. For those of us who see where Ray was going, it is an amazing and astounding vision into the nature of the Great God.
Revilonivek:
If ray says he knows the father's name and then hasnt shared. That is frustrating. Im sutr people feel that frustration as well. And I'm sure he's spoken it to Dennis and anyone close to him. I would just say spill it out already and talk aby what ray says the fathers name is and talk abt it like brothers and sistrrs would in conversation. Kat said there's no paper coming out so share it with us what ray told u behind closed doors. Please!
Denise
Kat:
Well I guess I can share something that Ray did mentions when I went to Manuela's cookie exchange party back in Dec. He spoke of Genesis 18 the story where the LORD/Jehovah came down and met with Abraham.
Gen 18:1 And Jehovah H3068 appeared to him in the plains of Mamre, and he sat at the tent door in the heat of the day.
v. 2 And he lifted up his eyes and looked, and lo, three men stood by him. And when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed toward the ground.
v. 3 And he said, My Lord H136 , if now I have found favor in Your sight, do not pass away, I pray, from Your servant.
Now the two angels/messengers that were with Jehovah left, but Jehovah stayed there with Abraham.
Gen 18:22 And the men turned their faces away from there, and went toward Sodom. But Abraham still stood before Jehovah H3068.
Then we know the story how Abraham asked Jehovah to spare Sodom all the way down to 10 righteous men. Then Jehovah left him. And in chapter 19 we know how Sodom was condemned to be destroyed and Lot and his family was told to flee to the mountains.
Gen 19:12 And the men said to Lot, Have you anyone here besides yourself? Bring your sons-in-law, and your sons, and your daughters, and whatever you have in the city, bring them out of this place.
v. 13 For we will destroy this place because great is the cry of them before the face of Jehovah H3068. And Jehovah H3068 has sent us to destroy it.
Now Lot appealed to the Lord to let them escape to a city that was nearer.
Gen 19:18 And Lot said to them, Oh no, Lord H136,
v. 19 please now, Your servant has found grace in Your sight, and You have magnified Your mercy, which You have shown to me in saving my life. And I cannot escape to the mountain, lest some evil take me and I die.
v. 20 Behold now, this city is near to flee to, and it is a little one. Oh let me escape there (is it not a little one?) and my soul shall live.
So He allowed them to go to the city. But it is this verse 24 that is very interesting.
Gen 19:24 Then Jehovah H3068 rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire, FROM Jehovah H3068 out of the heavens.
So we have here that the Lord/Jehovah rained fire down from heaven FROM the Lord/Jehovah... would this mean Jehovah the Son raining fire down from Jehovah the Father? This is what Ray showed me and didn't really explain what it meant, I think he was saving it for his article, but his calling attention to something that was right there helps a great deal.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: Kat on June 14, 2012, 09:19:36 PM ---
Well I guess I can share something that Ray did mentions when I went to Manuela's cookie exchange party back in Dec. He spoke of Genesis 18 the story where the LORD/Jehovah came down and met with Abraham.
Gen 18:1 And Jehovah H3068 appeared to him in the plains of Mamre, and he sat at the tent door in the heat of the day.
v. 2 And he lifted up his eyes and looked, and lo, three men stood by him. And when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed toward the ground.
v. 3 And he said, My Lord H136 , if now I have found favor in Your sight, do not pass away, I pray, from Your servant.
Now the two angels/messengers that were with Jehovah left, but Jehovah stayed there with Abraham.
Gen 18:22 And the men turned their faces away from there, and went toward Sodom. But Abraham still stood before Jehovah H3068.
Then we know the story how Abraham asked Jehovah to spare Sodom all the way down to 10 righteous men. Then Jehovah left him. And in chapter 19 we know how Sodom was condemned to be destroyed and Lot and his family was told to flee to the mountains.
Gen 19:12 And the men said to Lot, Have you anyone here besides yourself? Bring your sons-in-law, and your sons, and your daughters, and whatever you have in the city, bring them out of this place.
v. 13 For we will destroy this place because great is the cry of them before the face of Jehovah H3068. And Jehovah H3068 has sent us to destroy it.
Now Lot appealed to the Lord to let them escape to a city that was nearer.
Gen 19:18 And Lot said to them, Oh no, Lord H136,
v. 19 please now, Your servant has found grace in Your sight, and You have magnified Your mercy, which You have shown to me in saving my life. And I cannot escape to the mountain, lest some evil take me and I die.
v. 20 Behold now, this city is near to flee to, and it is a little one. Oh let me escape there (is it not a little one?) and my soul shall live.
So He allowed them to go to the city. But it is this verse 24 that is very interesting.
Gen 19:24 Then Jehovah H3068 rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire, FROM Jehovah H3068 out of the heavens.
So we have here that the Lord/Jehovah rained fire down from heaven FROM the Lord/Jehovah... would this mean Jehovah the Son raining fire down from Jehovah the Father? This is what Ray showed me and didn't really explain what it meant, I think he was saving it for his article, but his calling attention to something that was right there helps a great deal.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
--- End quote ---
Thanks Kat,
Now I really feel dumb. I never noticed that before.
The mystery deepens. But it is fascinating. Ray mentioned that the Old Testament hardly ever alludes to the Father and Son.
The Father is only specifically mentioned by Jesus in the New Testament.
Ray referred to Jesus as God's Authorized Autobiography. Fitting the pieces together is mind expanding. But as Ray said it's all in there, its all in the scriptures, but only God can unlock it for us.
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