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Interesting: why we have a short span of life
indianabob:
Thanks all for your contributions.
To me it is just like the secular person asking whether God is a male or a female or calling God ( the creator God) HER instead of HIM. It is just human foolishness from those not understanding the idea of spiritual or (unknown to us) things of the so called spiritual world or realm.
Spirit is not a definitive word as used in the English Bible. The word is just a substitute for saying in more words (it is something we can't see or touch and don't understand other than that it has an effect)
For example; God causes us to come to understand certain things about God's self that we didn't read or were not taught by another person. How so? By the working of God's spirit! That's what Paul taught in Galations 1:6-20. So what is the spirit of God? What does it mean "the working of God's spirit? It Just means that God gave him the understanding directly to his mind without vibrating the air to bring sound to Paul's ear. Or sending light beams through Paul's eye retina. It means giving Paul visions directly to his BRAIN. Visions of the night or visions of the day so that Paul gradually began to understand things written in Scripture and other things that Paul had not even read in the gospel, mysteries (God's previously unrevealed secrets) by a miracle of God's doing.
Gal 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. Read all please.
Also Ephesians 3:3:7
The point is that the so called spiritual realm is separate from the physical one unless God brings them together. There is no reason for an angel (messenger) to have reproductive capacity. God can create as many Angels as God wants. Reproduction is for humans only so that they may in a small way share with God the engendering of new life with the potential of life immortal.
One comment about loading the ark. I believe the Bible says that God caused the animals to come up two by two but with seven of the clean species. Noah didn't have to do a thing and certainly didn't have to search for them or decide which were appropriate for saving. Regarding size, they all could have been immature yearlings. Regarding variations of species, God can subdivide anyway he wants it is only man that cannot husband animals into subspecies of man's choosing. We need only one lion and one bear and one ape species with adaptive genes already in place.
Just my view that we should not limit God, only our own experimentation.
Indianabob
Gina:
Yeah, no need to make an idol of the heart out of that, like I said. But it's better than sitting in a bar throwing back margaritas. ;D IMHO
How the animals were caused by God to enter the ark remains to be seen? From what I can tell from my short time here on earth is that, animals are not typically fond of being cooped up; I picture them having to be captured or dragged in against their will.
I can also see that you're not fond of my giants being in the ark. Okay, let's do it your way. ;)
Let's assume Noah didn't need to do anything to get the animals in the ark and God just directed them in in twos (or whatevers), you really think 8 people could have taken care of all those animals? They'd have to be washed and fed and their cages needed cleaning; these animals weren't doing all that themselves. And what if they were giving birth to their young and multiplying while in the ark? I don't know but I think some large farm hands would come in rather, um, handy. :P ;D
:)
Well anyhoo--I hope all goes well tomorrow for you and the swelling goes down.
Ireland:
Hi Gina and Bob. I have to disagree with you both, but I am always open to be corrected if I am in the wrong. That is our job as believers in my opinion. We all have to taught by the Father and corrected often. It is humbling but also a blessing when we can learn from each other. Otherwise we would all become arrogant and unteachable. It is my impression that none of us want that. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and I mean that sincerely. I used to believe the same thing you both did about these Sons of God, but feel strongly that if L. Ray had more time he would take a longer look at this topic. There is now way any one man can study and learn of all the thousands of subjects in the scriptures in one life time.
Here is the verse I want to propose to you all and that is Job 38:7. Please take a look if you have the time or inclination. Have a good weekend to everyone!
cjwood:
as far as the ark and the animals; how they got there, how they would be fed, and what to do with all the poo, i just tell myself that NO job is too big for God. i mean, He created the WHOLE universe and every little bitty, minute detail for ALL of it. so, that helps me when trying to figure out these kind of things.
claudia
Kenneth Clark:
Let's assume Noah didn't need to do anything to get the animals in the ark and God just directed them in in twos (or whatevers), you really think 8 people could have taken care of all those animals? They'd have to be washed and fed and their cages needed cleaning; these animals weren't doing all that themselves. And what if they were giving birth to their young and multiplying while in the ark? I don't know but I think some large farm hands would come in rather, um, handy.
unless...unless...it was just as a miracle as the parting of the red sea. totally off topic...but...has anyone ever googled map mount Sinai? its in Saudi Arabia and clearly seen from above...i just jumped in here and am maybe way off topic, but its sooooo cool and only reinforces my faith.
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