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144,000?
doug:
--- Quote from: newgene87 on July 01, 2012, 02:13:43 PM --- and why "hundred and forth and four thousand?? can anyone help me? thanks :) :)
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Hello Newgene -
Congratulations on your recent marriage. I hope that it will be a huge blessing in both of your lives!
This is my understanding of the two 144,000 Revelation passages... hopefully you can use it in your study.
In Rev. 14 they are shown to us to be those who have been redeemed from earth. They are those, we read, who are chaste. This is verse 4: "They have not defiled themselves with women." In other words, they're the perfect bride of Christ. Their sins have been covered by the blood of Christ, and they stand before God as if they had never sinned. And they have been redeemed from mankind: "and no lie was found in their mouth." In other words, when we are spiritually dead we are slaves of satan, who is the father of lies. And once God gives us His spirit, our sins are covered and we're like those who have never lied. And this is talking about all the elect of God.
Now the number 144,000 is used because God frequently uses numbers symbolically. The number 12 is symbolical of the fullness of God's program of whatever He has in view. And here he is talking about the number of believers; the fullness of believers.
Sometimes God uses it as 12 plus 12. And so we have the 24 elders in Rev.. Sometimes He uses it as 12 times 12. And so we have the 144 in the 144,000 believers (not an actual number but spiritual). Sometimes He uses it as 12 times 12 times 12. And so we have the Holy City, the New Jerusalem, which is in size 12,000 stadia by 12,000 stadia by 12,000 stadia. And in the Holy City Jerusalem, which is the fullness of all believers, we have 12 foundations, we have 12 gates, and we have walls that are 144 cubits thick. The whole picture, you see, is symbolical.
And so with the 144,000, it is the fullness of all believers. Now, in Rev. 7 they are spoken of as twelve tribes of Israel, because in the bible God speaks of the true believers as being the true seed of Abraham, whereas the blood descendants of Abraham are not necessarily Israel (physical). The true Israel of God are those who are the believers in the Lord Jesus Christ. Read Gal. 3 particularly, and you will see this.
I hope this helps.
doug
Marky Mark:
--- Quote ---Hey Gina
And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. "Rev-14-3.
The They is the Elect.Which is The body.... the Christ...... Correct. So whatever Christ does is what the Elect does correct.
I ask this because you said:
When you think NEW song, don't think "song"; think Jesus Christ and the works that He did which came from the Father. That's the NEW song
So when WE....The Christ...proclaim,and do the works of the Father we are singing the song...Right ? wrong?
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Whenever a song is sung it is always with a voice. In the case of Scripture, that One voice that is being sung is that One Great voice, that, in essence, will harmonize in the truths of Gods Spirit,on the Lords day.
Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
So when we take heed unto that trumpet [His voice] it represents what we can then begin to see in a song that is sung in the voice of our Lord, in harmony, within His few chosen, out of the world. Gods elect[144,000] will always hear His voice and follow Him and not the voice of strangers.He is the greatest song writer of all time. :)
Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
Psa 40:3 Now He is putting a new song in my mouth, A hymn of praise to our Elohim. Many shall see it and shall fear, And they shall trust in Yahweh."
Joh 6:63 The spirit is the life giver; the flesh is of no value: the words which I have said to you are spirit and they are life.
Joh 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
Joh 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
Psa 98:1 O sing unto the LORD a new song; for he hath done marvellous things: his right hand, and his holy arm, hath gotten him the victory.
And truly he who overcomes will be singing the praises to the Lord[having the harps of God] in victory over the beast,standing on the sea of glass. We know it surely takes a lot of heat[fire] to make that glass.
Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
Our victory then is in having the harps of God...[in truth, unity, harmony, and praise]
All Praise and Glory to Him.
Peace...Mark
newgene87:
oh wow Mark!! that was filled with so much Glory from the Lord. That filled my heart with Praise! and Thank you Gina, doug, and dennis. Putting all the pieces together: that 144,000 (obviously 12,000 times 12) is TOTAL number of fulness of all the believers and "redeemed of the earth" assembling and singing a "new" song. I see praise. and i see salvation for the WHOLE earth. it's amazing; it reminds me if you've ever drove past an outside ochestra (i cant spell that, forgive me); EVERYONE driving by will notice and stop and hear the "sound" of the music. or even an opera or someone with an amazing voice singing; anyone will notice. I can only imagine, when this "144,000" are SPIRITUALLY lifting their voices and singing this song which is the glory of the lamb, the whole learn will learn righteousness :D....thank you all. this is amazing to me. by the way, i'm guessing i dont have to look no further for the lyrics?? 8) 8). thank you family
Gina:
I like the sound of that too. Thanks Marky Mark.
the truth:
Thanks Marky Mark as always!
Psa 40:3 Now He is putting a new song in my mouth, A hymn of praise to our Elohim. Many shall see it and shall fear, And they shall trust in Yahweh."
Praise...Yahweh!
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