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Why callest ME Good...none Good but God??
newgene87:
--- Quote from: Gina on July 08, 2012, 08:51:15 PM ---I agree with Dave.
And this might help
John ch. 9
1 And, passing along, He perceived a man, blind from birth.
2 And His disciples ask Him, saying, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents that he should be born blind?"
3 Jesus answered, "Neither this man sinned, nor his parents, but it is that the works of God may be manifested in him.
So you see? Having an illness is not an indication that someone committed sin or that the flesh itself is sin. Jesus' body was made of flesh and we all know that the flesh is WEAK. Jesus' flesh was no different. Besides, HE WAS AROUND SICK PEOPLE day in and day out healing them, for crying out loud. Of course He got sick; otherwise what is said here would be totally and completely meaningless:
Isaiah 53:4
Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted [grievously affected especially by disease; mentally or physically unfit].
This is a cut and paste from my reply on the same topic that came up two years ago:
--- Quote ---Okay, this is how it sounds to me:
Jesus was saying to the man, "Why do you call me "good" when you don't even know what 'good' (God) is/does, and I can prove it to you: Go sell all you possess and give your money (the thing that rules you) to the poor." Jesus [who is God in the flesh] comes to serve, not to be served. But "service to others" by "emptying" himself was not "good" in the ruler's vocab. (I'm not judging.)
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( http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,11821.0.html )
Hope that helps
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Thank you as well Gina. I was wondering when you were gonna pop up and hit me with your best shot ;) :D. The past was VERY helpful. Ray's teaching on EVERYTHING Jesus said was a parable is becoming more and more true by this. again, thank you all
lauriellen:
quote from Ray (Who & what is Jesus?)
Luke 4:22 …And they said, "Is not this Joseph's Son?"
v. 23 And He said to them, "Doubtless you will quote to Me this proverb, 'Physician, heal Yourself.’
Did you get that? Doubtless He said, your going to say that to Me. Why? He healed people, right? But He was sick and diseased! So your going to say to Me, well if you’re the great Physician and You're healing all these people, surely you're going to say to Me, “Physician, heal Yourself.”
Christ had a burden to bare. He was nothing to look at though, sickly and diseased, “a tender shoot out of dry ground” (Isa 53:2), sick, diseased with infirmaries.
Now it says in Isa 53:3, “He is despised and rejected by others, a Man of suffering (Heb.-pain).” Because when we say suffering, right away we think of some spiritual thing. You know He suffered persecution and things of that nature. It’s still suffering, but the word is pain. Why was He in pain? Because He had infirmaries. Is this a different Jesus than you have been thinking about?
Isa 53:3 “...and as One from whom men hide their faces…” that’s not what it says in the Hebrew, it should say “As One who hides His face,” Imagine the Son of God, Creator of the universe and in a body that’s uncomely, diseased, infirmaries and pain. It’s like when you go through a crowd, you don’t want to call attention to yourself, because there’s nothing here to see, you know.
Isa 53:3 “… He was despised, and we held Him of no account. V. 4 ….. and carried our diseases;”
Do you understand where this says He was tempted in all ways as we, yet without sin (Heb 4:15). And we think once in a while a pretty girl passed Him, He had to say, well I’ll look the other way. No! This is a whole lot more real than that.
He carried our diseases, oh. They will say, no He went to the cross for our diseases. No, He carried them in His body. And now is where they say, God just really beat the living day lights out of Him? That we count Him stricken down and afflicted? Who would say that?! It says WE. It doesn’t say God struck Him down. That is blaspheme. WE accounted Him stricken down and afflicted, we that’s a people. When they saw Him, they said 'this Man is being cursed of God, look at the pathetic thing. God is cursing this man bad, I wonder what He did wrong.' And then He would heal the people.
I mean it wasn’t the first time where He said, I know your all looking at Me saying, “heal Yourself Physician.” That must have come up many times, you know. It’s not in the Bible though it says;
John 21:25 Now there are also many other things that Jesus did. Were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.
I mean how many hundreds of times did someone say, Lord you’ve healed me, I’m whole, why doesn’t God heal You? He would say that’s not My job to be healed and walk around whole and handsome, fortified and all that. He came to carry your diseases. I heal you, but I carry them in My body. WE account Him stricken down by God and afflicted, because that’s what you would conclude and that’s what people would look at.
Look at me I’ve got bad feet and ankles, horrible knees, diabetes, sleep apnea, heart murmur, high blood pressure and a huge blood clot on the brain. People would say, Ray why is God cursing you like that.
tIsa 53:5 ‘But He was wounded for our transgressions, crushed for our iniquities; upon Him was the punishment that made us whole, and by His bruises we are healed.
Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have all turned to our own way, and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.”
So not only did He have to carry all of our sins and shortcomings and everything else to the cross. But all His life He carried the pain, the sickness, the disease and the infirmaries in His body. Why? Because God is not going to put us through something that He is not willing to go through Himself! That’s why we follow in His footsteps, see. Now you have to understand in the same way that God spoke through Christ, every time He opened His mouth and God healed people, every time Christ said stand up or walk or whatever, the Father was doing it! In the same way, the Father is suffering through His Son.
Do you not suffer when your children suffer? Would you not trade places with them when they hurt and when they cry? Doesn’t it hurt you more than them, right?
This one little boy, his Dad said now son this is going to hurt me more than you. The boy said, well Dad hit yourself then. But really it’s more painful for the parent to see a child suffer, then it is for the kid to suffer I think. Because we see their youthfulness, their weakness, their innocent and we say, just give it to me Lord. Just give me their suffering.
So God was suffering through His Son. What is this all about? Is this more of this bizarre stuff? What is this all about? Here is the Son of Man, all filled with diseases, sicknesses, infirmaries and all of that. He put the iniquities of us all on Him.
Isa 53:7 “He was oppressed, and He was afflicted, yet He did not open His mouth; like a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and like a sheep that before its shearers is silent, so He did not open His mouth.”
Gina:
Thank you lauriellen! I was looking for that. Couldn't find it.
I just noticed this:
--- Quote ---Isa 53:3 “...and as One from whom men hide their faces…” that’s not what it says in the Hebrew, it should say “As One who hides His face,” Imagine the Son of God, Creator of the universe and in a body that’s uncomely, diseased, infirmaries and pain. It’s like when you go through a crowd, you don’t want to call attention to yourself, because there’s nothing here to see, you know.
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I can relate to that.
lauriellen:
here is another quote from Ray:
[Comment to Ray: It’s impossible for God to die.] Okay, it’s impossible for God to die, that’s why He sent His son.
[But Jesus was God… you’re saying.] He could be called God, but Jesus said no you not, you are gods.
Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
God is not the name of the Father, it’s like a title.
I’m a Smith and my boy Blake, he could say, ‘I’m a Smith.’ But he’s not me and I’m not him. I came first and he came second and all of those things are true with Jesus. So you have too many scriptures, you cannot buck them.
Thomas, remember when he said I won’t believe it until I see it myself? So when Christ appeared when Thomas was present, He said here Thomas, put your hands in the side of My body. And what did he say?
John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto Him, my Lord and my God.
“my Lord and my God.” Jesus Christ did not correct him and say, wait a minute, don’t be calling Me God. Earlier, before He was resurrected, somebody called Him good, they said “good Master” (Luke 18:18).
Luke 18:18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
v. 9 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou Me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
He said don’t call Me good. There is only one good, that’s God. Now we’ve got Thomas calling Christ Himself God.
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I was going to say that maybe Jesus asked WHY the man called Him good to see if the man really understood WHO he was really talking to?
(God in the flesh) Not telling him NOT to call Him good....? If that makes sense?
Gina:
Knowing what we know now, isn't it amazing that God caused all of that to happen? That was all a teaching tool used by God to make a parable.
God made the young ruler and he made him rich, just like he made Joseph high in command in Egypt. It was all of God. It is not a sin to be rich. (The rich and poor have this in common: The LORD made them both. Pro. 22:2)
Further:
Proverbs 29:13 The poor man and the oppressor have this in common: The LORD gives sight to the eyes of both.
God was not willing to open this young man's eyes at that time. It's also interesting to note that Jesus essentially sent this young man packing - with his wallet intact. How about that? He didn't rob the young man of his riches, turn around and sell it and give it to the poor, Himself. No, He said, YOU do this. (Knowing all along that the young man wasn't built for that. Mark 10:21 (CLV) Now Jesus, looking at him, loves him, and said to him, "Still one thing you are wanting. )
Suppose for a moment the young man did everything Jesus said to do; what does that tell you? Someone said on another thread that he was looking for a shortcut and there are no shortcuts with God. I guess.
Having money is not evil and neither is being poor a virtue. If being poor were so virtuous, Jesus would have never told the young man to sell what he had and GIVE his MONEY to the poor. Right? Jesus knew the young man's heart and that he was used to the finer things in life and wouldn't like getting his fingernails dirty (or giving up all that power and rule) -- not that the young man would have actually gone without the necessities, since Jesus supplies ALL our needs and makes our cups runneth over where it actually counts.
It is as Ray said, God doesn't choose pansies to do His work.
Great thread.
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