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Why callest ME Good...none Good but God??
the truth:
P.S.Christ still had to come into obeidence to the plan of the Father!As a man.
Kat:
Hi Claudia,
Well was Jesus sickly? I find it is interesting that there is no other Scripture that mentions anything about that whatsoever, other than the Scripture you mention. And in that Scripture it was Jesus that was speaking about a proverb/parable.
Luke 4:23 And He said to them, "Doubtless you will quote to Me this proverb, 'Physician, heal Yourself.' What we have heard You did at Capernaum, do here in Your hometown as well."
If you read this whole passage you will see that He does not seem to be speaking healing sickness. But is speaking of His spiritual work.
Luk 4:18-19 "The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because He has anointed Me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent Me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor."
We know they thought He had a demon (John 7:20; 8:48; 8:52), was He implying that He thought they would say He should heal Himself of this demon doctrine He was proclaiming? I don't know.
My point in the other post was that there is no doubt to me that Jesus lived a sinless life spiritually and physically, therefore body, spirit and soul. Anyway that's what I'm thinking on this.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Dave in Tenn:
Gene, you are on the right track. Jesus NEVER spoke plainly to any but His disciples...and didn't always speak plainly to them. It should no more seem like Jesus is denying His own Goodness or Godness than it should seem like Nichodemus should enter into his mother's womb to be born again.
No scripture is it's own interpretation. We need to follow the 'logic' that doesn't make scripture contradict. Kat is spot on, particularly her second post. Not only did Jesus NOT have the "same sinful flesh" that "we do"...WE don't even have "sinful flesh", if by that we mean 'our bodies'.
WE may (and do) use our bodies to commit sin, but there is nothing sinful about our bodies. Sin is a spiritual condition and comes out of the 'heart'--not the 'blood pumping physical organ', but the Spiritual heart. HE did not use his body to commit sin, but has a heart to obey the Father. This is why scripture says He came IN THE LIKENESS of sinful flesh to CONDEMN SIN in the flesh.
As Ray put it, we are not Spiritual Beings having a physical experience, we are physical beings having a Spiritual experience.
Gina:
I agree with Dave.
And this might help
John ch. 9
1 And, passing along, He perceived a man, blind from birth.
2 And His disciples ask Him, saying, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents that he should be born blind?"
3 Jesus answered, "Neither this man sinned, nor his parents, but it is that the works of God may be manifested in him.
So you see? Having an illness is not an indication that someone committed sin or that the flesh itself is sin. Jesus' body was made of flesh and we all know that the flesh is WEAK. Jesus' flesh was no different. Besides, HE WAS AROUND SICK PEOPLE day in and day out healing them, for crying out loud. Of course He got sick; otherwise what is said here would be totally and completely meaningless:
Isaiah 53:4
Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted [grievously affected especially by disease; mentally or physically unfit].
This is a cut and paste from my reply on the same topic that came up two years ago:
--- Quote ---Okay, this is how it sounds to me:
Jesus was saying to the man, "Why do you call me "good" when you don't even know what 'good' (God) is/does, and I can prove it to you: Go sell all you possess and give your money (the thing that rules you) to the poor." Jesus [who is God in the flesh] comes to serve, not to be served. But "service to others" by "emptying" himself was not "good" in the ruler's vocab. (I'm not judging.)
--- End quote ---
( http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,11821.0.html )
Hope that helps
newgene87:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on July 08, 2012, 08:29:48 PM ---Gene, you are on the right track. Jesus NEVER spoke plainly to any but His disciples...and didn't always speak plainly to them. It should no more seem like Jesus is denying His own Goodness or Godness than it should seem like Nichodemus should enter into his mother's womb to be born again.
No scripture is it's own interpretation. We need to follow the 'logic' that doesn't make scripture contradict. Kat is spot on, particularly her second post. Not only did Jesus NOT have the "same sinful flesh" that "we do"...WE don't even have "sinful flesh", if by that we mean 'our bodies'.
WE may (and do) use our bodies to commit sin, but there is nothing sinful about our bodies. Sin is a spiritual condition and comes out of the 'heart'--not the 'blood pumping physical organ', but the Spiritual heart. HE did not use his body to commit sin, but has a heart to obey the Father. This is why scripture says He came IN THE LIKENESS of sinful flesh to CONDEMN SIN in the flesh.
As Ray put it, we are not Spiritual Beings having a physical experience, we are physical beings having a Spiritual experience.
--- End quote ---
now dave - THAT was SPOT ON. like wow, shot me right in the kisser. 8) both bold quotes are the biggest to me and i will keep this at heart. again, thank you again. I love feasting on the bread of Life :D
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