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lurquer:
--- Quote from: Kat on September 16, 2015, 05:51:13 PM ---
So what is the point in watching what this world is doing on the news programs, and paying close attention to the words they're saying? Certainly we don't agree with what is going on, and that is why we are suppose to "be separate" (2Co 6:17). I just don't see why you keep getting on a soapbox about all that here, going on about your disapproval and lecturing us?
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Kat, why do you think I'm "lecturing"? My reason for quoting someone's worldly perspective was to point out what the State's (Legislature's... law-writers'...reality-makers') INTENTION was, ultimately...to re-define, and UN-DEFINE something sacred which definition Believers know and cannot deny.
Someone here posted that he believed God creates "the legal way to be married" through whatever arbitrary laws evil men who control the state declare. Notwithstanding anything that may be written or described in Scripture... I disagreed. I think it is important that we who believe on the Words of Christ do not allow others (heathen) to re-define His words--- and demand WE accept their "re-assignments".
What I'm saying is, we don't have to accept their definition.
Or do we? What say ye? Is JFK right?
Kat:
--- Quote from: Neo on September 16, 2015, 09:32:16 PM ---My reason for quoting someone's worldly perspective was to point out what the State's (Legislature's... law-writers'...reality-makers') INTENTION was, ultimately...to re-define, and UN-DEFINE something sacred which definition Believers know and cannot deny.
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That is the way of this age, it has been through all the centuries and will be until Christ returns.
--- Quote ---Someone here posted that he believed God creates "the legal way to be married" through whatever arbitrary laws evil men who control the state declare. Notwithstanding anything that may be written or described in Scripture... I disagreed. I think it is important that we who believe on the Words of Christ do not allow others (heathen) to re-define His words--- and demand WE accept their "re-assignments".
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I do not believe 'all' men that "control the state" have been 'evil,' as you say, God puts who He wants there to serve HIS purpose. Of course "we who believe on the Words of Christ do not allow others (heathen) to re-define His words," why would you think we would? The inclusion of same sex marriage as legal and binding in the USA is repugnant, but it does not change what we would do to in a marriage ceremony. So yes as John said "Someone with God's Spirit will follow whatever the legal rules are to form a legal marriage."
--- Quote ---What I'm saying is, we don't have to accept their definition.
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Where homosexuality is concerned we do not accept their definition. Your main gripe seems to be with the homosexual influence on our society... okay that certainly is a perversion, Ray wrote a whole article on that http://bible-truths.com/homosex.htm and that seems to have always been a blight on society.
But we cannot change how this society is. We are not to get involved with the politics of this world no more than we have to, only doing what is legally required. We are to live a peaceful life... so what do you mean "do not allow... accept their "re-assignments"." Certainly we cannot protest and raise up in revolt, how are we not to accept what they decide? Remember what Paul said.
Titus 3:1 Remind them to be subject to rulers and authorities, to obey, to be ready for every good work,
v. 2 to speak evil of no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing all humility to all men.
Christ's kingdom is NOT of this world now, and neither is ours if Christ dwells in us.
John 18:36 Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here."
Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
v. 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
v. 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Dave in Tenn:
I edited my post above. That's as 'boiled down' a version of Ray's talk/paper on "What is Marriage?" as I can manage. If it isn't accurate to what he wrote/said, let me know publicly or privately and I will remove the post.
Neo, Jeff's question was about MARRYING and what HE could do. He's not even planning one at present. And I don't think he is even thinking about marrying a man. If you can't answer Jeff's question, then please (for the ninth time now) don't take it any further as an invitation to bring the whole discussion of disagreement (or comments that stem from disagreement) with that talk/paper.
Here it is again, for a refresher:
"For those of us who have come out of the church - where do we get married?"
lurquer:
Kat, I AGREE with everything you said. I realize we “cannot change how society is”. You keep suggesting I’m for some sort of Revolution or Uprising. Let me assure you, I’m not.
--- Quote from: Kat on September 16, 2015, 10:48:02 PM ---
Where homosexuality is concerned we do not accept their definition. Your main gripe seems to be with the homosexual influence on our society...
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If you agree we don’t have to accept their definitions, though, as I contend, then what do YOU mean by that? Probably the same thing I mean. Give me the benefit of the doubt that I am not against you or anyone here.
Example: I have a sister-in-law who imagines herself to be a Believer, yet is on her third ‘marriage’ after walking out on her second husband, and father of her children, because, as far as anyone can tell, she was ‘bored’ of him. Conveniently, she’d found a new beau weeks after the ‘divorce papers’ were signed (again, more of man’s laws dictating to Christians how they should interpret Christ’s words). She married him within a month, and moved him into her house with her young daughters. This is an open adulterous affair, not a “marriage” and I acknowledge it as such. In other words, I don’t “recognize” her marriage—even though it’s “legal”. She’s just another fornicator and adulterer, as is her “husband”. No, I don’t advocate stoning her. Something better—the New Testament way—it’s called shunning. It starts by calling a spade a spade. She says she’s “married” now. I say she is not. I retain the right of the proper definition.
To a Believer, then, marriage is what the Scripture says it is; nothing more and nothing less. Why do so many have so much confusion on this subject (myself included)? Is it because we’ve allowed ourselves to be swayed by “learning the way of the heathen”? Let us unlearn it then. It’s an inward Revolution of the Mind, not an outward one. And for the record, I despise “Revolts”. I’m for peaceful separation when and where necessary. I’m for leaving others alone and being left alone.
Dave, I understand what Jeff’s question was. I also think his confusion is based on the above observation. I was just trying to help.
--- Quote ---Here it is again, for a refresher:
"For those of us who have come out of the church - where do we get married?"
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Here is my answer: Wherever you want. It’s none of the State’s (or anyone else’s) business. That was my point in adding to this conversation. WHO CARES what the unbelievers think about what or how WE are to marry. Their definitions simply do not apply to us in cases where the Bible is clear on a proper understanding of an institution such as “marriage”.
If someone already gave him that answer, my apologies for repeating it. And it wasn’t my intention to take us back down the Rabbit Hole of the former Marriage Vow discussion. My thoughts were to add to that pile of meanderings—maybe just to give some clarity. Guess I failed at that :-\
Dave in Tenn:
I guess your sister-in-law will need a good lawyer and a good judge to untangle her marriage situation.
Some folks look at the world and think about how it ought to be. Seems to me from my chair, that makes them tend to not want any association with it. I prefer to look at the world as it is and think about what it is going to be. That makes me want to live like it's going to be...get a 'head start', as it were. Maybe even help lead the way. Of course, I can't do either if I don't know "what it's going to be".
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