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What is prayer all about?
Ian 155:
"It's that inner dialogue that's constantly streaming through my head all day and sometimes all night".
Gina,
Now there's something - "fits in with groanings" "I" never pray with groanings but somtimes say lying in bed, my thoughts, I am completly broken up, not neccesary groaning outwardly but inside ,in a big "heap" weeping and wailing so much so that if i get up i relise i'm actualy crying finding my face is all wet as is my pillow...like in a semi dream but awake .
Gina:
:'( Yes, I can relate to that.
Heb 5:7 In the days of his flesh, Jesus offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence.
the truth:
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Many of your teachings series are confusing and in conflict within. For example the one referenced above clearly underscores our Almighty God's pre-existing plans for all which is to be. However, you than offer suggestions which infer that what you they will somehow change results and relationship with Him!
Thinks for your labor of love and testimony. There is no reason for you to respond and I do not expect you to do so.
Best Wishes in Christ Jesus,
Hobe
Dear Hobe: You are not paying close attention to what I have written, and you have not studied such important papers of mine such as "The Myth of Free Will Exposed." Don't feel bad, however, as hardly anyone can comprehend this teaching. Let me make it as simple as I can. God already knows and has declared the "END FROM THE BEGINNING" (Isa. 46:10). Therefore nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING can ever change from what God ALWAYS KNEW WILL BE.
Now hold that Scriptural thought and don't ever let it go! Next comes the more difficult part for most to believe and understand.
Things that God knows WILL HAPPEN, don't JUST happen without His sovereign direction. Therefore, some things would never happen unless you PRAY for them. Ah, but that is where I lost you and most others as well. I repeat: Some things would never happen unless you PRAY for them to happen. Does that mean that if you had NOT PRAYED for them they would NOT have happened. Exactly. Isn't that what I just said? Well then, just how can God KNOW what will happen if you DON'T pray for something to happen that He knows MUST HAPPEN? Whether it happens or doesn't happen in this case all hinges on WHETHER YOU PRAY FOR IT OR NOT. So how can God know FOR SURE? If God WANTS something to happen through a prayer of yours, and God KNOWS that something will happen IF YOU PRAY for it, guess what?
GOD WILL SEE TO IT THAT Y-O-U D-O P-R-A-Y F-O-R I-T! And this is exactly what God teaches in the Scriptures. Now can you see and understand it?
Here's another example:
1Co 1:21 "For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe."
Now then, FOUR things need to happen for this Scripture to come true.
1. People must "believe."
2. Therefore God must give these people "faith."
3. They must hear the needed preaching.
4. God must provide for "the foolishness of preaching" through people like me.
Hope you understand.
God be with you,
Ray
lauriellen:
I have often wondered about this verse reguarding prayer:
Joh 17:9 I pray for them. I do not pray for the world, but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours.
I too struggle with prayer.....i have become very discouraged at times and resolved to ONLY pray "thy will be done"...
(i suspect because i am inwardly angry and don't approve of the way God is working all things out....a bad attitude
that i must often repent of)
but then i can't contain myself and spill my heart out to God for all that i 'wish' could be.....and then end with 'not
my will but Thy will be done.' ;)
It IS humbling to have to ask for EVERYTHING....but acknowleding that God REALLY is in control of every little detail
of every life is also part of the process i think...
I am also learning to NOT pray the 'save' myself or others from the trial, but to give the strength to ENDURE whatever
He has determined must be.
the truth:
hello.lauriellen...This may help you!.......I have often wondered about this verse reguarding
Church?
« on: April 05, 2006, 10:11:52 AM »
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babylon is the world system, education, religion and ecconomic.
education: lies with in them, you know what they are! evolution, etc.
religoun: eternal tormant and all the rest of false doctrines every religion has them, Christ in you is our religion.
economic: get rich brings happiness,,etc.
everyone of these mixes truth with lies.
((((chosen out of the world))))) not the "church'
overcome the world not overcome the church.
if Christ is in you!!! he overcame it Wink
Jhn 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
Jhn 14:17 [Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
1Jo 2:16 For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world
Jhn 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have (((((((chosen you out of the world)))))), therefore the world hateth you.
there is plenty more Wink
peace
chuckt
Dear Chuck:
Wrong. The "world" IS the Church, first and foremost. Secondarily it is the global world of nations and politics.
When Jesus said that He overcame "the world," certainly both aspects are covered (John16:33). A few verses later when Jesus said: "While I was with them in the WORLD, I kept them in Your Name..." (John 17:12), He is speaking of the religion of the Jews--the church. Jesus was not with the disciples in China or Russia, but in Judea which was religious to the core. EVERYONE was religious. ALL Jews of Judea were followers of Moses in some form or fashion.
"They are not of the WORLD [the religion of their own people in their own country Judea], even as I was not of the world...As You have sent Me into the world [not the nations, not the politics of Rome, etc.], EVEN SO [in the very same way] I also sent them into the world [the original apostles did not take the gospel to the Gentiles of the world]" (Verse 16 & 18).
Verse 24: "...for You loved Me before the foundation of the world [here again is the broader sense of the whole "kosmos" which involved the entire social order of mankind.
So, Yes, the word world in Scripture has the specific meaning of the Church or the Religion of the day.
God be with you,
Ray
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