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newgene87:
So, I just learned something PROFOUND (well, to me) out of Rays paper on the Sermon on the Mount. And as much as I've read the gospels I've never caught on to the significance of its differences. First, his statement...

"Whose fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly purge His [threshing] floor, and gather His wheat [wheat is good] into the garner, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire" (Matt. 3:12).

Chaff is the bracts enclosing the good, mature wheat, which is removed during threshing-it has no value as food, and so is burned like the wood, hay, and stubble of I Cor. 3:12. The Elect are composed of both the valuable wheat and the worthless chaff, but we are not the tares. Notice that the chaff is "burned up... with unquenchable fire." If this "unquenchable fire" "burns up" the chaff, surely it cannot be eternal. Unquenchable has nothing to do with eternal. Unquenchable fires is Scriptures that are not allowed to be quenched before they are allowed to burn themselves out.

So, the Elect are composed of WHEAT AND CHAFF - I love that. But the elect have nothing to do with tares. For I see, "...the tares are the sons of the wicked one. The enemy who sows THEM is the devil..." (Mat 13:38) and the tares are gathered in bundles and burned (v. 30). Gosh that is glorious to me :). 

But for some clarity, arent the CHAFF compared or even represent the UNGODLY

"The UNGODLY not so, but like the CHAFF which the wind drives away" (Psa 1:4)

Psalms 35:5
Let them be as chaff before the wind:
and let the angel of the Lord chase them.

Most assuredly, John the baptist doesn't contradict this and Jesus does manage his threshing floor of wheat and chaff  - but where is the balance there? How much DIFFERENT IS Chaff and Tares according to the scriptures? Regarding being "bad" and the CHAFF are part of the Elect and the TARES are not. I believe I got this much and please correct me if I'm off: the chaff will go through Jesus Gehenna Fire judgment and the Tares in the Lake of Fire?? Of course it's Gods CONSUMING fire - but where's the balance. Aren't the ungodly just as bad as tares? Thanks for the replies

Always yearning
Eugene

dave:
I don't believe so, the chaff is what is being judged now, should you be the elect. Yes, it may be as bad as the un holy but it is a temporal thing the Holy Spirit has made you to realize must be overcome. The tares are those who have not been enlightened and will go through the second death.
At least that is how I have been given to understand. I am always open to reproof and instruction. He is King.

But I might add my friend you do read all the words, and that is a good thing.  :)

newgene87:

--- Quote from: micah7:9 on August 14, 2012, 07:07:57 PM ---I don't believe so, the chaff is what is being judged now, should you be the elect. Yes, it may be as bad as the un holy but it is a temporal thing the Holy Spirit has made you to realize must be overcome. The tares are those who have not been enlightened and will go through the second death.
At least that is how I have been given to understand. I am always open to reproof and instruction. He is King.

But I might add my friend you do read all the words, and that is a good thing.  :)

--- End quote ---

Ahhhhhhhhhh I believe that does ring a bell...

"as therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; SO SHALL IT BE IN THE END OF THE AIONS... And shall cast them into a furnace of fire..." (Matthew 13:40-42)

Well that enlightened me alot :). Would love more so I can get closerer and closerer to a full understanding ;D 8)

Thanks
Eugene

Dave in Tenn:
There are tares, and there are wheat.  The tares (a wheat-looking plant) are the many called.  The wheat are the few chosen.  They grow up together, but are seperated at harvest.  At harvest, the chaff of the wheat is removed and burned away.  Harvest for the wheat is now (not just now in 2012, but 'now' in the lives of all the chosen in every generation).

Always remember that the focus of the parable should be on it's meaning, and not on all the components of the symbols.  Otherwise we have fire warming and keeping alive chaff and works.  That's certainly not what is being taught in this parable OR it's spiritual match in 1 Corinthians.

David in Psalms is not specifically talking about 'chaff'.  He's talking about his enemies being scattered LIKE chaff.  HIS simile concerns that.  We have to be careful 'establishing truth' with two or three wtinesses, that these witnesses match spiritually and not compare physical with spiritual.  Just the presence of the same word does not a spiritual match make.  The presence of the same word is good for understanding what that word means, but we should be careful not to get carried away.  Scripture still does not (and must not be made to) contradict.

That being said, there may be a good parallel for a true New Covenant believer to pray as David did that the chaff in us (me) which is enemy be driven away in the wind.  That is the process of 'threshing' in a nutshell, after all.  I don't believe it is Doctrine (teaching) but I think it is fine as Admonition (what I'd call preaching).

There's my dry as chaff answer.  I hope it's not wood, hay, or stubble. 
   

Gina:
You mean, dry LIKE chaff.  he he   Very well done as far as I'm concerned, Dave.  Thank you. :)

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