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Satan's "Half" Lie/Truth??
newgene87:
So my paying attention to the words is getting me YET again. But this is coming out of the Scriptures. So reading through Genesis 3, i stumbled across this and it FINALLY caught my eye.
"and the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall NOT surely die (obvious lie): for God does know that in the day ye eat thereof, then (1)your eyes shall be opened, and (2) ye shall be as God, knowing good and evil." (Gen 3:4-5) and the rest was history. YET, this actually came to pass - what Satan said would happen
(1) "and the eyes of them both WERE opened, and they knew that they were naked..." (Gen 3:7)
(2) "and Jehovah God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat and live to the age" (Gen 3:22)
So it seems to me that Satan told truth because what he said actually came to pass. It actually happened for one, and God attested to the other.
would I be on track to conclude that Satan started with a LIE and exhibited a truth to BEGUILE or deceive?? I feel like i discovered a tool to be aware of his "Travesty" and "trickery" ways (Ephesians 6:11). Trying not "to be ignorant of his device" (2 Corinthians 2:11). I've always been programmed to know Satan is only lies but here he actually told some truth; but lied to deceive with truth (???) yea, looks like a square circle :D. well, wondering if anyone else sees that. Thanks
Eugene
mharrell08:
Gen 3:2-4 ...the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.’” Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die.
'You shall die' vs. 'You will not surely die' are polar opposites. Also, to 'know' good and evil was a knowledge that Adam and Eve already had. To discern between good and evil was something they did not possess and many lack to this day. It was a complete lie on Satan's part.
John 10:10 The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I [Jesus] have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.
Jesus sums up Satan and his purpose perfectly clear in this passage.
Marques
newgene87:
--- Quote from: mharrell08 on August 26, 2012, 06:47:20 PM ---Gen 3:2-4 ...the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.’” Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die.
'You shall die' vs. 'You will not surely die' are polar opposites. Also, to 'know' good and evil was a knowledge that Adam and Eve already had. To discern between good and evil was something they did not possess and many lack to this day. It was a complete lie on Satan's part.
John 10:10 The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I [Jesus] have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.
Jesus sums up Satan and his purpose perfectly clear in this passage.
Marques
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"to discern between good and evil was something they did not possess" vs "to know good and evil" --- okay that just confused me. I thought God said, "BEHOLD, The human becomes as one of us, knowing good and evil" (v. 22 Concordant). So how did they already possess "knowing good and evil" if it came to be after partaking of the tree???
and i know Satan LIED about them dying, i wasnt debating that. but Satan was right in saying "there eyes were to be opened" and man was to become as God. God did say, "Man as become as one of US" - that's what i'm saying. In the words of Ray - Scripture couldve said, "they're eyes were closed and they were blind" and "well, they're now completely sin and has become evil creatures of habit and not like me" and so on but God SAYS EXACTLY what Satan said that's all. He was actually right and he beguiled them into disobeying God
Eugene
mharrell08:
Adam and Eve knew they were not eat of this tree, that demonstrates a knowledge of good and evil. But knowledge is worthless unless one knows how to apply it to their lives. That's what I mean by discernment.
Satan said 'in that day you eat it you will be like God'. God said that man is becoming like Us, not in that day. God also makes reference to the tree of life, which is needed if one is to live. Satan makes no reference to how one is to live forever because he does not want them to.
So no, God does not say exactly what Satan says. Why is this even a point of debate?
Gina:
--- Quote from: mharrell08 on August 26, 2012, 07:29:44 PM ---Adam and Eve knew they were not eat of this tree, that demonstrates a knowledge of good and evil. But knowledge is worthless unless one knows how to apply it to their lives. That's what I mean by discernment.
Satan said 'in that day you eat it you will be like God'. God said that man is becoming like Us, not in that day. God also makes reference to the tree of life, which is needed if one is to live. Satan makes no reference to how one is to live forever because he does not want them to.
So no, God does not say exactly what Satan says. Why is this even a point of debate?
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Well, I hardly call it debating Marques. I needed a little clearer explanation myself and so I'm pretty glad he asked because your response is just what I needed. Beautiful.
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