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newgene87:
I will first quote Ray on Faith

[Comment from someone: Well I’ve heard you talk about, that they are trying to make it sound like it’s our faith and not Jesus Christ’s faith.]  That’s one thing and you do find that some translations talk about faith ‘in’ Christ, even Rotherham.  It’s plainly the faith ‘of’ Jesus Christ and he inserts the word ‘in’ (Gal. 2:16, 3:26; Php. 3:9; Col. 1:4).  I know that Rotherham’s translation is pretty consistent, just like Concordant.  But sometimes the human element gets in there and they just think, ‘it’s our faith in Christ.’  No it’s not, it’s the faith ‘of’ Christ.  Big difference.  That’s one point.


I am in agreement of this from Rays paper on faith and works. Faith is from God and of God -- but I'm still in the stage that in scripture I'm trying to put the pieces together whenever I come across faith. These next four verses are pretty much alike - and Jesus rewards people on their faith. Just as Ray said, "sometimes the human element gets in there and they just think, it's our faith in Christ" - well these verses causes me to stumble at that point

Mark 5:34
And He said to her, Daughter, your faith has healed you. Go in peace and be whole from your plague.

Mark 10:52
And Jesus said to him, Go, your faith has healed you. And instantly he saw again, and followed Jesus in the highway.

Luke 17:19
And He said to him, “Stand up and go; your faith has made you well.”

Matthew 8:10
And hearing, Jesus marveled, and said to those following, Truly I say to you, Not even in Israel did I find such faith....And Jesus said to the centurion, Go, and as you have believed, so let it be to you. And his child was healed in that hour.

I really need help on this one: cause it's so easy for ME to throw in the human element that these people are coming and Jesus rewards them according to their "own" faith. Sad thing is, I heard this thought from someone else and that how they think they have free will and we must have faith "in" God. So I just need help family. How does this match up that Faith is OF God or OF Christ yet Jesus rewards these according to their own faith every time???

Humble for answers
Eugene

Dave in Tenn:
It's His faith.  When He gives it to us, it becomes our faith too. 

(He doesn't loose His when this happens) 

To go a step or three further, it's HIS WHOLE UNIVERSE.  It's not just unscriptural but foolish to think we 'have' or 'are' anything at all without HIM...literally. 

Gina:
Well, you have the relative and the absolute, neither of which the churched understand.

I think of it this way:  For who makes you to differ from another? and WHAT HAVE YOU THAT YOU DID NOT RECEIVE? now if you did receive it, why do you glory, as if you had not received it? ( 1 Cor 4:7 )

When people aren't miraculously healed, don't the faith healers/hucksters just love to throw in their faces that it is because they didn't have enough faith in the Lord?

This is the way I see it now: 

Jesus said, YOUR faith has healed you.  And that automatically means they pleased God because everybody knows that it is impossible to please God without faith.  (No DUH?)

But their faith?  In WHAT?  In God.  (Couldn't really call it "faith" if it were in anything other than God, now could you.  Nope.)

And how did they acquire their faith?  It was given them.

By whom?  When?  How?  By God, and I imagine when they witnessed and/or heard that Jesus performed miracles. 

Why were they given the ability to believe?  Because God wanted them to believe.

God makes vessels of honor and dishonor. 

God has mercy on Whom He wills.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are you saved through faith; and that [FAITH] not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Gina:
It'd be the same thing if Jesus said to the starving multitudes he fed THROUGH  Peter and the other disciples with the loaves of bread and fish He got FROM the little boy:

Jesus to the multitudes:  Your bread and fish has filled your belly.   

It wasn't their bread or fish to begin with.  It was His from the start because the only reason that little boy had anything that Jesus could take and give to the disciples to feed the multitudes is because Jesus made this world and all that is in it to begin with.... It's simple.  All is of God.  Jesus just spoke to them from the relative standpoint, and I think it was to encourage them to continue on in THE faith, not simply to congratulate them, as if they made the choice to believe.  (They stood no chance in not believing as long as Jesus wanted them to believe. ;) )

newgene87:
Got it! Thank you so much. I heard this at a church as well, and that is what he was teaching - that "we make the choice to believe" - then I saw these verses, and yea, I stumbled but I got it now.

Am I right by saying, that since "Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God" (Rom 10:17), that these people heard the report of Jesus around the regions, and what He could do, that the Father "gave them that Faith", "drew (or drawed??..) them unto Christ", and Christ healed them? I think I got it I wanna make sure that I understand it correctly. Basically, the cause is still that the faith is of God and like you said Dave, it becomes our faith.

Eugene

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