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darren:
I know it's a matter of opion. In my opion L. Ray Smith was  a great man and a great teacher. Does that mean I am comparing Ray to Jesus Christ Lord and Saviour of all humankind?? Really, Throughout history we had great men  and women who were great teachers and yet I do not pray, worship or give glory on high to these people. There's only The Father and His Son. WOW!! Let them who have eyes see, and ears, hear.....

Darren
P.S Good job Gina

Rene:

--- Quote from: Gina on September 06, 2012, 10:15:23 PM ---
All praise and all glory ONLY to Him?


--- End quote ---

Absolutely!  Ray is dead, Jesus is alive.  Whatever spiritual gifts Ray had,they came from God.  He and only He is worthy of our worship and praise.

Rene'

Gina:
Rene, I will not force you to believe what I believe.  I've laid out all that scripture and I was only getting warmed up.  But in ending I will say this:  Neither you, nor JFK, nor Eugene have given one scripture as backup for what you espouse -- not one. 

I will continue to thank God for Ray--who has not disappointed me in the least.  Ray at this very moment is simply reposing and when God wakes him up someone's going to be kissing his feet:

   Revelation 3:9 I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars--I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.

Isaiah 60

1 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee.

2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.

3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.

4 Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side.

5 Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.

6 The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the dromedaries of Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba shall come: they shall bring gold and incense; and they shall shew forth the praises of the LORD.

7 All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory.

8 Who are these that fly as a cloud, and as the doves to their windows?

9 Surely the isles shall wait for me, and the ships of Tarshish first, to bring thy sons from far, their silver and their gold with them, unto the name of the LORD thy God, and to the Holy One of Israel, because he hath glorified thee.

10 And the sons of strangers shall build up thy walls, and their kings shall minister unto thee: for in my wrath I smote thee, but in my favour have I had mercy on thee.

11 Therefore thy gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut day nor night; that men may bring unto thee the forces of the Gentiles, and that their kings may be brought.

12 For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted.

13 The glory of Lebanon shall come unto thee, the fir tree, the pine tree, and the box together, to beautify the place of my sanctuary; and I will make the place of my feet glorious.

14 The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.

John from Kentucky:
I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another... Isa 42:8

...that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to Whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever.  Amen.  1Peter 4:11

Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Make you perfect in every good work to do His will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in His sight, through Jesus Christ; to Whom be glory for ever and ever.  Amen.  Hebrews 13:20-21

newgene87:
Well with that said

2 Corinthians 5:16
"Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer."

1 Corinthians 3:3
for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men?

And definitely after learning the "carnal" fall out between Ray and another Teacher who teaches these SAME truths -- Ray, could acknowledge He was "yet carnal". WE can be "yet carnal" even if we're still regarding Jesus when He was on this earth as a man in flesh. It's "Carnal" until we acknowledge Christ, in Spirit as the Consummation and goal of Truth - we should move beyond the milk of Ray, milk of the word, "letters" and on to the meat of the word, the spirit that gives life, and the truth we abide in. I Glorify God and thank God ONLY (now) for the teachings from Ray - but we would still be Carnal if We give this "Man" more Praise than due

...just so much as the builder of a house has more honor than the house. 4 For every house is built by someone, but the builder of all things is God." (Hebrews 3:3-4)

Ray's "House" was beneficial for its time - but it was Jesus that gave US the understanding that Ray taught. It still points to Jesus. We should regard no one according to the flesh an once we mature to that state of mind - it leads and points to Christ - NO MAN. Great Teacher, bashed the theologians of today a little too much, but He nailed his ideas by Christ. And WE understood BY Christ, not by Ray.

May We all be aware of our carnality. Not Even regarding the cross, his miracles, his healings -- they were all for "the flesh" to see and eventually "the spirit" to grasp.

And I can GUARANTEE, no one - and I mean no one will be kissing Rays feet upon Resurrection. This All points "the Way, the Truth, and the Life" - ONLY to Jesus.

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