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JOHN PROPHECY !
dave:
Yes Dave, and that book is a positive book.
longhorn:
John represents the " Elect" in scripture ( Rev 1 1-2).
newgene87:
--- Quote from: longhorn on September 02, 2012, 08:26:33 PM ---John represents the " Elect" in scripture ( Rev 1 1-2).
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Yes, you definitely gotta love this book! What a grand book of symbols. Thanks Longhorn
cris.santiago:
That's a great question, very thought provoking.
The answer is quite simple; John will again prophesy, but truth is He still is. But first lets look at what it means to prophesy:
But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. - 1 Corinthians 14:3
So to prophecy is to do one, two, or all of these things: To edify, To exhort, or to comfort.
Now that we have set the foundation, let us look at this important verses:
The sum of thy word is truth; And every one of thy righteous ordinances endureth for ever. - Psalms 119:160
1Co 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
So to understand that statement in Revelation, we must understand that the SUM, not just a verse or two, of God's word is the truth. And that all things written in the bible are written for OUR admonition upon whom the ends of the world are come(thats US!)
The book of Revelation is what WE must go through. John will continue to prophecy simply because ALL of God's elect in EVERY Generation must live through the words spoken of in this book(THE BIBLE).
the truth:
Hello....Thanks for everyone that has shared their thoughts so far.That is what makes this forum truly a blessed place.Because their are people with the mind of Christ and His Spirit.I want to share my thoughts as each person has shared.
Dave,John...
Again thanks as always with your response!!The problem for Me anyway is.Are we saying that this, what seems to be a prophecy of a future event is not going to take place?Will there be NO two witnesses?Are we to say that the coming of Christ is just Spiritual and not literal?I know John you shared.....quote.....It is chock full of symbolism. To read any of it literally is a dead end....end quote.Ray never said that TO READ ANY of it to be literial is a dead end .However I do respect your answers given in what you see as truth to you and that's fine.I to have seen it that way and may still if I can settle it with the Scripture.Having said that theses are some hang ups I have with this Spiritual only approach.
1.As I have already shared if this is NOT just Spiritual then John seems to be one of the two witnesses?
2.I understand John to be dead.And I understand what we believe to be the state of all who have died up till now.Although God does have a order!So that's what makes this even more complicated to me.Ex-specially when i consider:
Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Joh 21:21 Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do?
Joh 21:22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.
3.AS IN THE TRANSFIGURATION:We have Elijah.Moses,Peter,James ,John.
we have 3 confirmed dead.....Peter,James,Moses.
I have not been able to find anything to confirm John death.I have seen writings that he was boiled as many as 3 times in water but then went to cities again?Maybe someone can help me with that.
And as far as Elijah I am aware what Ray teaches on in Hebrews that these "ALL Died in the faith"But that could still mean Elijah will still die in the faith as a returning witness?If it is a literal event.
4. which leads me to another thought:That would leave Elijah,John as the two witnesses
Elijah,is a Ephraimite...Gen 48-19-20. and John is a Jude an...which would represent the two olive Trees?
Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5.And even though it not related here .I believe that the reason John didn't go into the tomb before Peter was because he was a Jude an and would have been defiled had he went in with a dead body.And after he found out it was no dead body he went in.
Chris.....thanks for your response.............The book of Revelation is what WE must go through.Yes I see it as a fifth Gospel of the returning reining Messiah.
Longhorn...I guess i would see Joh represents Judea and we represent Elijah the Ephramite since we are Gentiles.Gen 48-19-20
Micah.Eugene...It is a glorious book!
Thanks again for everyone thoughts would appreciate more.
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