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In The Day Of The Great Slaughter
onelovedread:
something that has an unpredictable outcome like a gambling game played with two dice;
Only God controls the outcome as He is the one who has established the "cause".
We can not make an "uncaused" decision.
Only He can change the condition of the world or of man's hearts.
You or I could have been Pharaoh or Judas or Hitler, but for the grace of God.
Gina:
Of course.
From Twelve God-Given Truths:
Truth #8 'The OT scriptures are our admonition, example, learning'
[A] "Now ALL these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for OUR ADMONITION [to reprove, caution, warn, remind of obligation or duty, etc.], upon whom the ends of the world [‘eons—ages’] are come" (I Cor. 10:11).
[ B ] "Now these things were OUR EXAMPLES, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted" (I Cor. 10:6).
[C] "For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for OUR LEARNING…" (Rom. 15:4).
Two excerpts from Ray in this section:
It is essential that we study the Old Testament Scriptures, for they are often the only key to the New Testament Scriptures.
If you cannot identify yourself, personally, with all the stories and accounts in the Old Testament, then you have not even begun to overcome all the carnality that you are.
Paul, Peter, and the rest of the apostles taught the salvation of all from the OT Scriptures. Paul understood that the events from the OT were an 'allegory' which forshadowed spiritual truths [Gal 4:22-26].
We all are found in the OT as we all have the same human flaws. While a man of today may not receive strength from his hair as did Samson [Judges 13:5], many men of today have had their lust of a woman be their downfall as did Samson. The root of our sins is the same as for the Israelites throughout the OT as well as all humans throughout God's creation.
( forums.bible-truths.com/index.php?topic=12517.0 )
G. Driggs:
--- Quote from: Gina ---Overcomers don't feel the need, desire, or compulsion to lord it over anyone. But they do feel the need to heal and set things right that God may be glorified (who is just and good and gentle and merciful and gracious and a BIG gift giver, , in addition to all His other characteristics)
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Excellent point Gina, and thank you for responding.
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn ---Kinda makes you pity the world to believe that. Kinda makes you not prone to blame the world. Kinda makes you want to to minister freedom and hope to the world, even if the world turns on you. They aren't "strongly desiring" the appearance of religious folks bringing bondage and fear. They are weeping and sorrowing in pain in no small part BECAUSE of all that. I hope we're concious, and that we believe all living things will have a part with the free children of God in glory.
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Couldn't agree more with you there Dave. It's so easy to blame others and ask what the heck is wrong with me and everyone? I often have to take a step back and be reminded that all is of God and He has a perfect plan through it all.
--- Quote from: JohnChris --- something that has an unpredictable outcome like a gambling game played with two dice;
Only God controls the outcome as He is the one who has established the "cause".
We can not make an "uncaused" decision.
Only He can change the condition of the world or of man's hearts.
You or I could have been Pharaoh or Judas or Hitler, but for the grace of God.
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Spiritually speaking we are very much like Pharaoh, Judas and Hitler if you think about it. Humanity is hard headed, vain, betrayers and murderers. We are who we are not by chance but by the grace of God like you said.
Ive often asked God "why me ? Why did you choose me to experience the evils that I have?" Not sure I have the answer yet, but God in His infinite wisdom wanted it this way for me. And that hurts a lot to be honest. I've been dealing with a lot of bitterness toward God about it and it just breaks my heart. It hurts so bad. Im not trying to make it seem like I have the worst problems in the whole world, but it is MY experience of evil made just for me. Maybe so I can help those who have went through the same things? I dunno yet. This is of course if God saves me at this time.
Thanks all for responding and listening.
--- Quote from: Gina ---Of course.
From Twelve God-Given Truths:
Truth #8 'The OT scriptures are our admonition, example, learning'
[A] "Now ALL these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for OUR ADMONITION [to reprove, caution, warn, remind of obligation or duty, etc.], upon whom the ends of the world [‘eons—ages’] are come" (I Cor. 10:11).
[ B ] "Now these things were OUR EXAMPLES, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted" (I Cor. 10:6).
[C] "For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for OUR LEARNING…" (Rom. 15:4).
Two excerpts from Ray in this section:
It is essential that we study the Old Testament Scriptures, for they are often the only key to the New Testament Scriptures.
If you cannot identify yourself, personally, with all the stories and accounts in the Old Testament, then you have not even begun to overcome all the carnality that you are.
Paul, Peter, and the rest of the apostles taught the salvation of all from the OT Scriptures. Paul understood that the events from the OT were an 'allegory' which forshadowed spiritual truths [Gal 4:22-26].
We all are found in the OT as we all have the same human flaws. While a man of today may not receive strength from his hair as did Samson [Judges 13:5], many men of today have had their lust of a woman be their downfall as did Samson. The root of our sins is the same as for the Israelites throughout the OT as well as all humans throughout God's creation.
( forums.bible-truths.com/index.php?topic=12517.0 )
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Thank you very much Gina for the reminder. You posted this as I was posting mine.
Peace
Gina:
You're welcome. :) (Sorry about posting so much on your thread--it's just a good one!)
--- Quote ---I've been dealing with a lot of bitterness toward God about it and it just breaks my heart. It hurts so bad. Im not trying to make it seem like I have the worst problems in the whole world, but it is MY experience of evil made just for me. Maybe so I can help those who have went through the same things? I dunno yet. This is of course if God saves me at this time.
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That bitterness toward God is something we'll all experience; life's "bizarre" as Ray said once in a conference. It will pass; this too shall pass. We'll get to the place where we actually believe God and are not afraid but at "bitter times", it's hard to imagine ever feeling better.
This verse is a hard saying: The just shall live by faith.
Welllll guess what? I desire to see things with my own eyeballs -- not with my mind, not in a "dream" or "vision" in some sort of "hopeful" way, so I guess I'm just gonna have to believe that verse by the faith OF Jesus Christ. ;)
There are times when our faith is tested, and then we remember -- we aren't saved by OUR faith, but by Jesus Christ's.
God bless and I'm sure all of us here are praying for you to be strengthened.
Before I go, check out this witness to your original post!
'Happy the poor in spirit -- because theirs is the reign of the heavens.' (Matthew 5:3) [Dont you love the way they translated that verse? I do.]
Ian 155:
Welllll guess what? I desire to see things with my own eyeballs -- not with my mind, not in a "dream" or "vision" in some sort of "hopeful" way, so I guess I'm just gonna have to believe that verse by the faith OF Jesus Christ. ;)
;D
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