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nightmare sasuke:
Will the saints that died before Christ be in the first resurrection or must they go through the lake of fire to come to knowledge of Jesus? How exactly does it work; did the Old Testament saints believe in Jesus? Yahweh, after all is technically Jesus not yet manifest in the flesh, so does that mean the Old Testament saints openly accepted Christ receiving the promise for eonian life?

broken:
The work of Christ is retroactive.

There are a few concepts that must first be understood here.

1. God is timeless.  As such, any moment for him is an eternal moment, so that anything he does at any given time is true for eternity.  Therefore, Christ's death was sufficient not only for those from the point of his death forward, but for those in the past also.

2. Those who were justified before Christ were justified by faith, not by works.  Therefore, their justification is whole...they need not be "purged" of any remaining sin following their deaths.  

3. The first resurrection is for all of the saints, not only those who came to faith explicitly in Christ.  It is for those who came prior to Christ as well as those who followed him.

That's what I've got in the few minutes before I go to bed.

Brandon

davey C.:
Are you sure about that Brandon?Heb 11:39These saints desired to see what we see and live in this day and did not.And are you saying there is no carnality in them that needs to be purged out of them,many concubines and davids orders for killing his enemies on his death bed.1st or 2nd kings 2 I beleive.We are all saved by faith and this not of ourselves but a gift from God.Not by works lest any man should boast.Most of humanity will be in the second ressurection where they will learn righteousness.If we say Lord Lord we must also do the things He says and be faithful to the end.These old saints did not have the new covenant to live by which is not in accord with the old.love to you all davey c

ertsky:
i was reminded of these verses

Heb 11:38  (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
Heb 11:39  And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
Heb 11:40  God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

WOW!

and this verse always just slays me

Mat 11:11  Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

when i read verses like that my jaw just hits the floor

Luk 1:38  And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

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nightmare sasuke:
Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

By that verse alone, I'd say they aren't going to be in the first resurrection. Also, remember those in the first resurrection are those who died for Christ's NAME. And seeing how the OT saints didn't really know Jesus' name (his new covenant) makes one further realize they will not be in the first resurrection.

One argument I always make is this: "All of death and Hades is cast into the lake of fire, and since those before Christ will not be in the first resurrection, people like David, being in Hades, will be cast into 'Hell for all eternity,' if you're [the person I'm arguing with] correct." But if the saints are in the first resurrection, that argument is foiled.

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