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gregorydc:
Here's a what if for you all.  What if, since we are to be sons and daughters of God, we are to create our own "earth" like Christ did? It could be what the rest of the universe is for. We are to be saviors right?  Just maybe God is using his creation family to be a creating family throughout all the universe he has made. Gods thoughts are higher than ours, and we wont know until it occurs , but why not? Just a thought,
Greg

onelovedread:
Gregorydc, what scriptures do you think indicate those possibilities in the scriptures?

Samson:

--- Quote from: Greg Walsh on October 07, 2012, 09:15:47 AM ---The whole creations awaits the unveiling of. Christ.anyone have any ideas why we have an entire physical universe that boggles the mind
It can't be there just for show
Anyone think there is other life out there?

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Hi Greg,

Since there is no Scriptural evidence that Life Exists elsewhere and Ray doesn't teach this possibility, I guess this is another opinion related General Discussions Topic where speculation will predominate. Since God's prized creation, Human Beings are extremely Carnal, that's the majority of the Planet and need an excessive amount of refinement before everyone is completely created in God's spiritual image, a process that's lasted for quite some time from Our perspective, it shows there's allot of work that needs to be done In & For Us to remove Our Carnal Nature. Aside from a very small minority, the Elect of God, there's not much change being done in the present Eon.

As an example displaying Our extremely Carnal Nature, Our Race, Human Race that is, We mainly ignore aiding & assisting Our fellow Human Beings down here on this planet while spending Billions of dollars sending Probes, Instruments, Manned & Unmanned Spaceships all over the Galaxy to determine whether or not Life exists or existed elsewhere while the "intelligent" creatures down here are Carnally messed up. That being the Mindset(spending money & resources like this) while neglecting even the basic things that need vast improvement demonstrates to Me that there's too much work to be completed here first.

I like Star Trek, Star Wars and Science Fiction for Entertainment too, but I would think or speculate that God would probably finish the work done here before creating Life elsewhere in the future Eons. When the time arrives that none of us fall under the category of Galatians. 5:19-21, the works of the flesh, then only God knows already in advance if He has plans for Life elsewhere, there doesn't appear to be any Scriptural evidence to suggest this.

Kind Regards, Samson.

Akira329:
Hi Kathy!

--- Quote ---I'll admit I enjoy this kind of conversation very much. Having someone of like mind to bounce these ideas off of is very productive I believe.
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So do I!! ;D
I'm not married to any of these ideas by the way! Just talking about what I'm talking about!


--- Quote ---Okay, I would think this is going on the idea of evolution? God started it all, but it's now just building itself or something like that.
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Kathy, I don't quite understand all the aspects of biological evolution but the first few chapters of genesis certainly imply it.
Let the earth.....etc.
Let the waters.....etc.
Both denote a process, right?
I think a good study in how elements come to be can help. I'm just diving into my new hobby of physics and a little chemistry!!
Regardless of how we see it God is responsible, that's for sure.


--- Quote ---It's the line of thinking that the chemical mix that came together on earth to bring about what we have here, should have certainly occurred somewhere else in the vastness of the universe, right?
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Instead of should, I believe it could.
I'm not saying other life exists, I'm saying it could. Big difference right?
Life may be unique to this solar system but what about elsewhere? I can't say for sure. Who can?


--- Quote ---God was the direct cause, He literally "made/formed" them and brought them about, that's why we have life on this planet and that's why I don't believe there is other life out there.
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God is the direct cause of all. When is he indirect?


--- Quote ---I just don't see any mention in the Scripture of other life out in the universe.
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Neither do I, but I'm not making the point that it is. There are many objects in the universe not mentioned in bible verses as far as I know. I'm not trying to make a case for other life from the scriptures.
Just taking Gregs question seriously. Most alien questions are not anwsered with a degree of research or inquiry.


--- Quote ---Because God is not just playing around with life here, so He might have made a few other planets with life just to see it how it works, no, He already knows how it will work. He know "the end from the beginning," so He already knows what will happen.
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I'm not implying that! No, I'm not implying test sites!LOL In wisdom, he did all! Yes I agree!


--- Quote ---I believe that everything that is created here on earth throughtout it's history was ultimately for the plan of salvation.
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I agree!!
I don't know the purpose for all creatures. In Ray's 08 nashville conference, I remember someone saying that the dinosaurs provided that fuel. Ray said they provided something else but never mentioned it again. I have always wondered what he thought?
Yes Kathy, everything is intricately laid out but I have no reason to believe we won't figure it out! At least not with a carnel mind!
God is a wonderful architect of the universe and I can't help but think about the way in which he did everything.
I'm a designer myself and the process of design seems in line with which God created everything, from conceptualization to a physical finished product. I think it can help in understanding how he did it!

Kathy, I respect your thought process!
Thank you for a mature conversation! And yes this is just an exchange of ideas!

Gregory,
Those thoughts have crossed my mind many times. Nothing to support it but being like our elder brother!
I like the way you think!

Brad,
Yes, this is another opinion related general discussion topic where speculation will predominate!
Maybe the moderators can move it to off topics?
Antaiwan

Kat:

Hi Antaiwan,


--- Quote ---Kathy, I don't quite understand all the aspects of biological evolution but the first few chapters of genesis certainly imply it.
Let the earth.....etc.
Let the waters.....etc.
Both denote a process, right?
I think a good study in how elements come to be can help. I'm just diving into my new hobby of physics and a little chemistry!!
Regardless of how we see it God is responsible, that's for sure.

God is the direct cause of all. When is he indirect?
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What I meant by God is the 'direct' cause of life on earth, is that most systems in the universe do move along as designed by God in a kind of evolution kind of way. From the 'big bang' down through the billions of years all the planets and stuff are moving as preordained to, so that the universe is moving along to where we have it now.

But here on earth things are very different, as the earth reached a certain stage of development God directly intervened and "made" or brought about the different life forms we have here. Then He designed them to continue on in a kind of evolution kind of way. The earth and waters do bring forth life now in the way that God designed them to, but they did not start or evolve on their on. That is why we see all the other planets as barren wastelands, God has just left the evolution process He caused to continue with them. Earth is the only exception, at least I think it is.

I believe this whole creation is designed just for us and to bring the people here into the family of God. If it turns out there are others out there some where, so be it, I won't be mad  ;D

mercy, peace and love
Kat

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