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lilitalienboi16:

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--- Quote from: Greg Walsh on October 07, 2012, 09:15:47 AM ---The whole creations awaits the unveiling of. Christ.anyone have any ideas why we have an entire physical universe that boggles the mind
It can't be there just for show
Anyone think there is other life out there?

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My theory on the purpose of the cosmos is that they are the potential glory of God's elect in the form of matter. I like to think that Hawking radiation - the radiation that is emitted from black holes axially - is God transporting energy that is transmuted from matter through black hole processes. I like to think that this energy is a much a more pure form of the energy/matter dichotomy, i.e. the energy that our glorified bodies will constantly emit in the New Jerusalem.

Since no new matter or energy has been created since the Big Bang - if that even happened - I like to think that the purpose of the extensive matter realms of the universe are storehouses of the purified energy fields that we will one day contain as glorified angelic beings with physical bodies. Since heaven is eonian, the aeons we move through as a super-advanced civilization will become increasingly more tolerant of energy, as we - us as physical beings, headed by Jesus; and purely Spiritual beings like the Holy Spirit and Father - will all become more advanced and perfect as we "age". (I don't think even Father is done "growing"...I think He'll grow with us, and our growth will both increase, and be a result of, His growth)  Thus, the matter of the universe will be able to be transported via Hawking radiation from black holes to our bodies as we go through this "aging" process through the aeons, and we will become more glorious!  :)

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Wow!  Where to begin?  I know you are new here.  But you are the poster child for why the Scriptures are so important.  They steady us and in the mouth of two or three witnesses they keep us in the Truth.

My advice.  Read extensively the articles on this website and use them as an introduction to the Scriptures.  Believe nothing until at least two Scriptures teach you a specific Truth and build from there.

May God guide your path if it is His will for you to learn His Truths at this time.

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Hey John! Can you begin by pointing out to me the stuff that is purely ridiculous? I don't know what isn't in the Scriptures, but I was just theorizing based off of nothing in particular! Kinda along the lines of the little green men talk that was in this thread.

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The part about us having "glorified physical bodies as angelic beings" is probably a good start. ;)

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What about when Jesus answers the Sadduccees (I think): "they are neither married nor are given in marriage, but are like the angels in heaven"? I haven't done any research on this passage; it just came to mind. Forgive my ignorance!

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1 Cor. 15: 35-50 "But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption."

There is nothing wrong with what Jesus said, He speaks the truth. It's with what you said ;)

Angelic beings... with physical bodies.

Angelic means spiritual.

Understanding the future Resurrection and Great white throne judgement might aid in this understanding. If you want the scriptures on it then search them or read through the site;

Everyone will be raised at the great white throne judgement. The elect will be raised with powerful spiritual bodies like Christ. Nothing physical to them, no flesh. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven. The rest of the dead, the sea of humanity, will be raised physical and judged. Hitler won't be raised with a glorified spiritual body. The elect and Christ will judge these people at the great white throne judgement, the "thousand year reign," the few chosen, the saviors of Hosea. Through this judgement, the sea of humanity will be tried and tested and the sea will vanish. Through this judgement the rest of humanity will be saved. The saints will judge the angels and the world ;)

I'm not 100% certain here but , i believe, that after this judgement, these people will be transformed into spiritual beings like the elect and God. Then will they enter the kingdom of heaven and death shall have been destroyed. Christ will lay down His reign to His Father and God will finally be all in all.

Hope that helps and answers your question.

God bless,

Alex

Akira329:
Hi Alex!
I'm glad you chimed in, it just seemed awkward placement of events in the thread thats all.

Doing a little reading, I agree with what you stated in regards to Micro and Macro evolution.
I think and hope we all agree that species, given enough time, turning into another species is not a proven theory.
Like you said, even 4.6 billion years is not enough time!
Its not scriptural either.

The term evolution meaning change over time I can also agree with. We have to define that change though.
Evolution is really a misunderstood term. I try and stay away from it because of what people generally think it means.

Alex I don't doubt there are earth-like planets. Many have been discovered. (Research the Kepler Telescope Missions). What's in question is whether they support life(not every earth-like planet is habitable). You ever hear of the "sweet spot" or "goldilocks zone"!
Planets that orbit their host star in this zone possibly have liquid water on its surface.

As for the mathematical probability, the shear size of the universe is not evidence of life and we could be the only life bearing planet!
I'm fine either way.

I do wonder what God has in place that prevents or propagates life on a large scale(universal) or a small scale(our planet). The only thing I could come up with is our composition or what everything is made of. Our chemical composition is not foreign in the universe and something I know we don't have to speculate on.
Compare the chemical composition of the universe with us and we seem pretty common. But compare that chemical composition with the universe as a whole and we're only a small fraction. We have dark energy and dark matter taking up the rest. So I kind of hold onto that small fraction because I think its all we have.
Also that may prove how unique life is to our little rock! So I'm fine either way.

Hi Claudia!

--- Quote ---from the Scriptures we find that God the Father sent His only begotten Son to the planet earth.  His Seed.  it doesn't mention any other planet(s) that He sent His Son to be born of His Seed.  He caused it to be so on earth, using the virgin mary as the vessel.
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I'm not quite sure I understand what your saying here?

1Jn 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
Are you saying world in this instance means the planet earth?
Earth = dry land
World = inhabitants of dry land
Is that too dumb down?? Or off?
But I will say the word “world” has a few more uses.

I enjoy this discussion as well Claudia!
I'm curious as to what the more scientific minds on the forum have to input!
Antaiwan

PS.
Telsa,
Sounds like another thread.

wat:
With all the talk against evolution, I'll chime in and say I believe in evolution.  And I believe it's scriptural too.

I don't want to teach, but I would like to provide a scriptural basis for believing in evolution.  I think this will be acceptable.  For a while I disagreed with Ray on evolution, but it seems he was coming around to the idea not too long before he died.  Have you all seen this email?

http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,13694.0.html

It confirmed some of the things I was seeing in Genesis.  We all know the phrases "Let the earth bring forth" and "Let the waters bring forth."  That sounds like evolution to me, if not abiogenesis.  The phrases "after their kind" and "after his kind" sound like speciation (species evolving into other species) to me.  And we know the phrase "and it was so" is more accurately translated "and it came to be so" indicating a process taking time.

Also, man is spiritually a beast.  Why not physically as well?  First the physical and then the spiritual.  We're certainly different than animals, but I believe we are descended from beasts.

Well there's my scriptural reasoning for evolution.  Scientifically, I believe there's ample evidence out there.  We all believe the earth came about through 4.5 billion years of natural geologic processes, why not life as well?  Some say 4.5 billion years isn't enough time, but it's plenty of time.  Evolution happens faster than you think.  In fact, most of evolution has only occurred in the last 540 million years.  Have you heard of the Cambrian explosion?  This is the start of the geologic time period known as the Cambrian when many complex life forms began to appear.

I just don't believe God was continually creating new species all throughout earth history.  I believe life evolved through the natural laws he put in place.

Craig:
There is not scriptural or scientific evidence for evolution, unless you are talking about micro-evolution.  There is definately changes in species to better adapt to their environments and they evolve to reflect that. But there is no evidence for macro-evolution.  Horses do not become cows, or monkeys humans.

I don't understand how you get that "after his kind" or "after their kind" means evolving into another species??  Thats like telling my daughter to reproduce after her kind and she ends up producing a coyote.  How is that producing after her kind?

Ray was never coming around to the idea of macro-evolution.

Craig

wat:
I'll concede the "after their kind" point is the weakest, but I think "Let the earth bring forth living creatures...and it came to be so." makes a strong case for evolution.

Certainly you know Ray better than most, and I don't want to be the one to make him say something he didn't.  But based on that email, I get the sense that he didn't totally reject evolution.  Such statements like "The first couple of chapters of Genesis are written in such a way that many of the major concepts of biological evolution could be possible." and "The point is, however, regardless of how or by what processes God used in creation, He was behind all of it."  He also asked the question "So did God use a process of creation that could be compared to some of the theories of biological evolution?"  He didn't answer the question or even answer emphatically in the negative, which leads me to believe he at least somewhat was open to the possibility.  If this isn't true, please let me know.  If that's the case, I also would like to know, what am I to make of that email?

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