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Joel:
It looks like to me that when God said "Let there be" he was planting Word seeds that brought forth exactly whatever it was that he had in mind to create.
It is true that you can cross a horse, and a donkey and get a mule. But a mule can not reproduce, as it is sterile.
There is evidence that modern man bred with Neanderthals, and that many of the worlds population have some Neanderthal DNA.
I agree with Craig on the kind, and species aspects.
Prophecy, and the wheels that go in motion in actually making a thing come to pass is really mind boggling, to God be the glory, and the power.
What I got from reading Ray's papers is; that he believed in creation as opposed to evolution only.
Joel
cjwood:
antaiwan, i was meaning that Christ was born of the flesh on the planet Earth, not any of the other known (or unknown) planets of the vast universe. and in the Scripture referenced, 1 john 4:14, the word "world" is kosmos. that can denote the inhabited earth or the universe. if you look up "world" and "earth" in the greek, you will find another definition that falls under both. that is "oikoumené". under "earth" this word is translated to dwell, inhabit, and denotes the inhabited earth. it is translated "world" in every place where it has this significance (except for luke 21:26 where it is translated "earth".)
anyway, that's what i was trying to say.
claudia
gregorydc:
Ok JohnChris here's scripture for your question.
1 John 3:2. Which states that we will be like Him. Christ is the creator/savior of the world. In His millennial reign we rule with him righteously, teaching and learning the same. Now after that then what. We are Gods children and the only example we have for this is Christ Jesus the Son of God. He is the God of the old testament, it tells us what he has done from the foundations of the world, until (the new testament) he became a man and died for us. I was assuming that if we were to be like him that maybe that's what all the rest of the universe is for for us to do what Christ has done for us, get more children for God our Father. I was just giving my opinion, it was a thought that had crossed my mind when I read this topic. Again Gods thoughts are much higher than mine, I may be so far off the chart that this is heresy, I don't know. There are many scriptural/spiritual geniuses(compared to me by far) here that can easily disprove or prove what my thought was, and I hope someone points me in the correct direction. I apologize if I have written wrongly here; if this is wrong of me forgive me ,moderators, and remove this. But some thought would be nice too
Greg
Dave in Tenn:
No worries, Gregory, at least as far as I'm concerned.
One way in which 'knowledge passes away' is when it is replaced by new and more accurate knowledge. That process is bound to continue until we have the wisdom of God. For my part, I couldn't be happier than to have my 'old knowledge' smashed and replaced with something more accurate. I ain't done yet. I see no reason to believe that my puny understandings will stay puny...and I see no reason why I shouldn't be happier and happier as it does, since that's been my experience since coming out of her in the first place.
Just me talking, but asking a few passages of scripture to explain in great detail HOW all that has preceded us came about AND what is to follow is asking too much and requiring scripture to do what it clearly was not meant to do. As Dennis said recently, we are here to learn. I don't think he meant that just about this forum. We are 'here' to learn. That's our purpose in this life.
The 'detail' about all this seen stuff past I leave to those who understand it, knowing that they are trained in methods of questioning and sussing out the facts whereas religious folk typically are not. Just to note, the very words of Scripture in Genesis don't refer to "species" at all, but to 'kingdoms' (plants and animals) and various types of animals ordered by how they MOVE. There is no mention of insects, specifically, or dolphins (which are not fish) or any other great details, such as microscopic life (which composes a remarkably large percentage of a human's 'mass' and without which we can't live).
As for the other stars, what comes to mind is the quote, "What is man that Thou aren't mindful of him?" MIGHT be extrapolated to include "what is our planet that Thou aren't mindful of it?" Everything that is 'seen' is made of that which is 'not seen'. If we ever 'see' what isn't now seen, then maybe we'll 'see' that we really do serve the Unknown God "in whom we live and move and have our being." If a baby born 5000 years ago in southeast asia is connected to me in some God-determined way, then why is it impossible that a star whose light I now see 5000 years after it was emitted is also connected to me in some God-determined way?
Akira329:
Hey Dave!
I wanted to comment about what you said in regards to "species"
I disagree that the plants and animals are only defined by how they move.
We still contend with the phrase, "after his/her/their kind"
This simple phrase seems to break it down further into more categories.
For example: "every winged fowl after his kind"
Well we know that fowl is used for every animal that has wings.
But what if scripture broke it down further...
Lev 11:13 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
Lev 11:14 And the vulture, and the kite after his kind;
Lev 11:15 Every raven after his kind;
Lev 11:16 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,
Lev 11:17 And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl,
Lev 11:18 And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle,
Lev 11:19 And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.
All the winged fowls mentioned here are birds yet they have their own kind.
There are many species of eagle, owls, and raven.
The next verses mentions the other winged fowls we know of, insects that can fly.
The point is that using the term species or kind can tell us who can mate and produce with like kind and who can't.
I guess what can help also is using the phrase in this manner:
"Computers of all kinds" There is more to that statement then meets the eye.
Supercomputers
Desktops
Servers
Laptops
Notebooks
Tablets.....
Below that we can have brands, within that different configurations and so on...
You can't put an Intel chip on a AMD motherboard or vice versa.(not withstanding new technology but hope you get the point!) ;)
These kinds do extend down to the microscopic level.
There are over millions of species of bacteria that reside in us! Crazy!
Antaiwan
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