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mavis92379:
Im having trouble with the verses in 1 Cor 11 that say a women must be in subjection to her husband. Also that it is a shame for a women to speak in church.

Sometimes the verses sound a little harsh towards women. I was just loking for some interpetation because I know God is no respector of person.

Thanks,

Matt

Samson:

--- Quote from: mavis92379 on October 22, 2012, 09:04:36 PM ---Im having trouble with the verses in 1 Cor 11 that say a women must be in subjection to her husband. Also that it is a shame for a women to speak in church.

Sometimes the verses sound a little harsh towards women. I was just loking for some interpetation because I know God is no respector of person.

Thanks,

Matt

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Dear Mr. Jackson:
Certainly women are able to declare God's Truth, as you state. It is also true that those baptized into Christ are, "...neither male nor female...IN CHRIST."  (Gal. 2:27-28).  But we are also still IN THE FLESH, and in the flesh, we are indeed male and female.  If the statement that IN Christ there is no "difference" between male and female, then homosexuality would be perfectly fine.  Can you not see the problem here with thinking like that?
 
When Paul instructed the early Church that women were to keep silent in the Church, it was not just a "Jewish custom and tradition." Here is another declaration from Paul concerning men and women still in the flesh: "But I would have you know, that the Head of every man is Christ, and the HEAD OF THE WOMAN IS THE MAN; and the Head of Christ is God"  (I Cor. 11:3).  This statement is not "custom and tradition.
 
When Paul says: "Let your women keep silence in the churches...." (I Cor. 14:34) it is not custom or tradition, but rather "...the things I write unto you are the COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD" (Verse 37).
 
Also understand that women are no some inferior species that will be absorbed into the male species. Yes, both are called "the sons [some times children[ of God," but this is often used as is "Adam"  and "man" in the Genesis when really referring to "humanity" in the Hebrew.
 
When God "receives us unto Himself," are we all "males?"  "Masculine?"
Notice what the Scripture tells us:  "And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be My sons AND DAUGHTERS, says the Lord Almighty"  (II Cor. 6:18).
 
Anyway, I'll write a paper on this subject one day, but not today.
God be with you,
Ray
 
But for the reasons of authority mentioned above and other reasons too numerous to cover in an email, God has ordained that women are not to be the teachers in formal meetings of the congregations.

Dear George:

I am thinking that you believe Gal. 3:27 voids out I Cor. 14:34?  If it does, the why would Paul have written it?

The answer is quote simple:

"IN CHRIST" there is no "male or female."  But, IN THE FLESH there still is male and female, otherwise homosexuality would not be a sin. Can you see how silly that approach to this Scripture would be?

We are still in physical bodies and we are still male and female, and as such the man is the head of the woman just as Jesus is the head of the Church. And as such, Paul did not permit women to preach or teach in the congregation.  However, there are many situation in which women can teach: to their children (both girls and boys); on the telephone, in letters, in group discussions, etc.  I believe their teaching is just pretty much limited in the area of not getting in front of an assembly of men and women and being featured as the main speaker or teacher. Not that she might not be able or qualified, but rather it is a matter of subjection to authority.  I have never done a long study on this subject, but I have read several papers by those who have, and most of them are shot through with theological holes.

God be with you,

Ray

Dear Bryant:  Your Bible says the same thing mine does, I reckon. We have two witnesses to the fact that Paul did not allow women to be teachers or preachers in the Congregation. Unless something can show me that these verses do not mean what they say, I can only conclude that they mean what they say.
God be with you,
Ray
 
PS   I have read the arguments that because God used women to lead Israel in the past (Example: Deborah), women should therefore be permitted to teach in the congregation, but I don't see how they get around Paul's declarations to the contrary.

As the above Email answers of Ray indicate, these Scriptures presented are clear on this matter, I don't see any way around it, but don't forget, a Man's Head is Christ and Men have allot to answer for from their Head, Christ if We don't assign honor to Our Wives as the weaker Vessel and Love them as Christ Loved the Ecklesia. None of the above has anything to do with a Woman's worth or Value or not being equal, it's a submission to Authority issue like Christ being in Submission to His Father, a Godly ordained arrangement, I guess. None of the above has anything to do with a Women's ability to Teach, Preach or Preside over a Church, just a divine arrangement while in the flesh.

Note: If you find a Women that's completely submissive to a Man, please let Me know where to find Her, just kidding Sisters,  ;D ;D ;D, it would be like finding a Man that's completely submissive to Christ, while in the Flesh. Oh, by the way, don't tell my wife about this,  ;) ;D.

Carry On, a dangerous thread indeed, Samson, oh, oh.

noeleena:
Hi,
As A ? what church is this about, & how would we be a part of that church,

As theres a miner detail going on here thats over looked,

Allso it seems is reverlation ....only.... to be seen as... all ...symbolic,

...noeleena...

acomplishedartis:

--- Quote from: Samson on October 22, 2012, 09:56:30 PM ---
Carry On, a dangerous thread indeed, Samson, oh, oh.

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ha ha. Dangerous tread ha.    I agree that as Jesus is to us, man should be for the woman. That little verse says so much.
                                       

mmm,what about a community of believers where there is only woman's? and so, there is a woman that teach in front?...
(just saying...)

I am not married, and I have never have a ''girlfriend'', I would like to get married some day but I am not sure about having kids, probably not. (even so I like kids).

God help us men's to be good imitators of the Master...

Revilonivek:
Is there any other person in the new testament  that said the same thing as Paul did about women being under the man, shouldn't teach and be quiet in churches? Let me know? Thanks?

Denise

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