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Let us reason...
Gina:
I am amazed at what I just read in Isaiah. It's like I'm seeing it for the first time without the blinders:
I especially like how God, through Ray, gave me permission to be completely honest with Him without fear of punishment to ask questions like, "How can sins ever become white as snow"? Sins???
Isaiah ch. 1:
18 “Come now, let us reason together, says the Lord:
though your sins are like scarlet,
they shall be as white as snow;
though they are red like crimson,
they shall become like wool.
Whereas before I would have read that verse and thought, oh, ok, so my sins are like scarlet but can be transformed(?) into something pure, like, white snow or wool? But that makes no sense to me. At all. I was under the impression that sins are the breaking of God's laws, and that's carnal; and anything carnal is bad and has to go, like, be burned out of us, not become something good and pure like white snow. It specifically says your sins (not your good works) shall be as white as snow.
Mental gymnastics.... here I come...............
Anybody notice that before now?
levycarneiro:
Very interesting!
Also it doesn't say: you shall be as white as snow...
(Which is how I thought this read)
Also interested to know/learn more on this!
onelovedread:
Just as Ray taught in LOF 1 on the book of Revelation, I would suggest that these associations apply in Isaiah also and represent truths that are presented in symbols (here, similes and metaphors). The literal language is not the literal truth being presented. The statements themselves do not teach us the truth of the statements... Ray teaches that without the spirit of God, we will never understand these symbols. It is God Who provides us with "ears to hear and eyes to see." What do you think, Gina?
Gina:
Thanks Levy. Love having your input. :)
Thanks for your input as well, JohnChris. :) I agree there is a higher spiritual application to "will become white as snow" and "like wool." But when I read the word "sin" or "sins" I believe it means sins -- not a simile for something else.
Oh well, we here who are long timers know that Ray never discussed this subject specifically and maybe I shouldn't have posted it as it could lead to teaching.
If the mods feel it should be locked or removed, please don't hesitate. I don't want to cause any problems.
Thanks! Peace! Love! And Happy Food Coma Day!!! (Who wants to bet Kat's bringing the deviled eggs! I could eat those things till they're coming out of my ears. MMmmmm.mm! :-D )
Dave in Tenn:
Actually Gina, it's kind of odd to see this brought up, because it leaped into my mind (the question, not the answer) just a few days ago. For my part I'm waiting for a spiritually matched second witness, and will do my best to resist anything that isn't, before following a train of thought too far. Still, it's not for nothing that we have learned 'this much' and as long as I don't let 'this' go I ought to be able to see truths elsewhere in scripture that don't contradict. That's been the case since the earliest weeks of coming to believe.
Here's where I am right now. Consider the story of Joseph and his brothers. As Ray taught from Scripture, God actually intends evil for good. In a way, Joseph's brothers--though THEY intended evil and sinned against Joseph--were part of God's plan to save the family when famine hit. Did the brothers' sin become white as snow, and become white as wool when that happened? Are there other examples? Not quite as plainly put, but had there been no-one to deliver inordinate blows to Paul, or no Pharisees and scribes to provide contrast to and for the disciples Jesus is calling, and no Jerusalem to crucify Him...where would the plan of God be?
Just to add, I think a re-reading of the Judas paper might be valuable to understanding.
http://bible-truths.com/JudasNotBorn.htm
As with all threads, we'll just have to see where this leads before tackling what to do about it.
Side note on a side dish: My sister changed her devilled egg recipe and put some more 'heat' in it. Didn't go down as easy and creamy, but was a more memorable experience. ;D
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