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Why did God take so long to create everything?
Gina:
--- Quote from: indianabob on January 30, 2013, 12:14:56 AM ---Perhaps we should use care in attributing anthropomorphic limitations to the Creator God.
e.g. That God waits patiently for humanity to spread across the earth and become as numerous as the sands of the sea does not necessarily prove that God was limited to that method. It could just as reasonably be that God chooses to use time to teach us what God already knows about patience because God invented it or HAD it from the beginning.
Another example might be that God actually enjoys guiding and watching us grow in grace and knowledge and does not need to have a rapid result. In other words he enjoys living and working with all of us and watching our progress. It is only mankind that wants quick results, but God knows the end from the beginning.
Think of the conception and development of God's only begotten son Lord Jesus. A period of thirty some years which God monitored every day for some 12000 days. Then for the next couple of thousand years watching his perfect and faithful son lead, govern and manage the growth and development of all those that Father God had given him, the called and chosen.
It's not about winning the game because that is a foregone conclusion, rather it is being in the game as the owner/head coach and participating in bringing all the sons of God into the family, individually, one at a time. That's what God loves, that's God's reward, watching His children develop their talents.
Indiana Bob
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iBob,
We want it yesterday.
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Gina:
Pleasure moves on too early and trouble leaves too slow.
~Joni Mitchell~
theophilus:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on January 29, 2013, 08:51:26 PM ---
--- Quote from: theophilus on January 29, 2013, 07:37:53 PM ---
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on January 28, 2013, 06:17:11 PM ---Einstein is greatly overrated. His theories do not predict what happens on the other side of a black hole, nor what it was like before the Big Bang. Also, his General Theory of Relativity did not predict the expansion of the universe at an ever increasing velocity the further objects become from one another. There is still no adequate proven explanation for that phenomena discovered in the later 1990s. Also, his explanation of gravity is inadequate.
God's name of Jehovah (Yahweh) means "He is coming", (in Hebrew,third person singular, incomplete action, thus in future time).
In Revelation, God is called "Is, Was, and Will Be",-----an existence in time.
And Ray's quotation of the Scriptures showing God is working through time.
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Yes, John. God is working THROUGH time. But this doesn't mean that God is bound by time. I believe time exists INSIDE our universe. You said the universe is expanding. What's the medium it's expanding in? Is time running in that medium? or is time running only in our universe? Like I commented to Kat, if God HAS ALWAYS existed, then time has always existed too. Existence has to do with time. This is why I say that this statement might be incorrect.
Blessings.
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God and He alone is the only One Who impresses me.
The Scriptures tell us what a man is, "Dust you are and to dust you shall return." Dirt doesn't do anything for me. Any being that has to eat food and breathe air to live, and has to use the bathroom, just does not impress me.
Einstein is dead, and the great ( ;D) man's brain has been cut up into little pieces for study. Not impressive at all.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You say "if God HAS ALWAYS existed". ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Hello John, the Scriptures also tell us to LOVE OUR FELLOW MAN, nor to disparage them. To me, it makes no difference whether they're alive or dead.
Certainly, it goes without saying that God impress us all like no one else ever could. I'm not talking about idolizing anybody. For that matter, abandon any and all technology that you now use because certain unimpressive people invented it. Since the "dusty" inventor doesn't impress you at all, much less his contributions to humanity.
Certainly God impresses me, and this without having seen Him, but on a different level a human calculator impresses me for her ability to crunch numbers in her head; maybe you can do it. If you did, I'd be impressed, but not on the same level as God impresses me. This is totally different. Any human achievement will always fall short of God's knowledge and capabilities. Like I said, this goes without saying.
[Einstein is dead, and the great ( ;D) man's brain has been cut up into little pieces for study. Not impressive at all]
A lack of respect for the dead appears to be expressed by your paragraph above. That's not my attitude towards them, as unimpressive as they might be. I come from a war-torn country. I myself still have shrapnels in my body from a tank shell that exploded in our midst. I witnessed heavy machinery shovel the dead into mass graves. Maybe this experience causes me to have respect for the dead. I don't know.
The phrase I used "if God HAS ALWAYS existed" is used by countless Christians and non-Christians when discussing eternity and God. That's why I capitalized "has always". As I expressed to Kat, to speak of God EXISTING or HAS ALWAYS EXISTED might not be descriptive of the actual truth regarding His existence. Contrary to what you might think, I do not doubt God's existence.
In His Name
theophilus:
--- Quote from: indianabob on January 30, 2013, 12:14:56 AM ---Perhaps we should use care in attributing anthropomorphic limitations to the Creator God.
e.g. That God waits patiently for humanity to spread across the earth and become as numerous as the sands of the sea does not necessarily prove that God was limited to that method. It could just as reasonably be that God chooses to use time to teach us what God already knows about patience because God invented it or HAD it from the beginning.
Another example might be that God actually enjoys guiding and watching us grow in grace and knowledge and does not need to have a rapid result. In other words he enjoys living and working with all of us and watching our progress. It is only mankind that wants quick results, but God knows the end from the beginning.
Think of the conception and development of God's only begotten son Lord Jesus. A period of thirty some years which God monitored every day for some 12000 days. Then for the next couple of thousand years watching his perfect and faithful son lead, govern and manage the growth and development of all those that Father God had given him, the called and chosen.
It's not about winning the game because that is a foregone conclusion, rather it is being in the game as the owner/head coach and participating in bringing all the sons of God into the family, individually, one at a time. That's what God loves, that's God's reward, watching His children develop their talents.
Indiana Bob
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You might be right! That would be God's JOY. We can speculate all day long about many things, but what matters is that God is accomplishing His will and purpose for each of us by having us grow to the full stature of His Son Jesus Christ. I believe that He is actively involved in all that happens on this little planet 24/7. He is busy!
God bless you.
theophilus:
--- Quote from: " Shorty " on January 29, 2013, 08:05:04 PM ---
--- Quote ---Like I've imagined on many occasions, eternity WILL BE A VERY LONG TIME. What will we do with it?
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~Theo
I can only imagine. ::)
Not to be snarky, but no one can give you a satisfactory response to that question because no one knows the answer to that - and how could we? We haven't gotten there yet! See?
Who wants to bet God knows what we'll do with all that time? ;)
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My bad! My question was a rhetorical one. I wasn't expecting anyone to know. I know this is something that hasn't been revealed to man.
But I do remember Ray say something about God using His chosen ones to bring the rest of humankind to salvation, and later THE REST OF THE UNIVERSE. His statement is very intriguing and brings up more questions. I'm sure you have thought about this already.
Here it is!!!:
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,13817.msg121839.html#msg121839
Ray's words:
Here is where we really get to what OUR salvation is all about. We, the BODY of Christ, who ARE the SONS OF GOD will be used to SAVE THE REST OF THE WORLD AND THE REST OF THE UNIVERSE!! "Or are you not aware that the SAINTS shall judge the WORLD?... Are you not aware that we shall be JUDGING ANGELS..."
More questions indeed....
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