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Why did God take so long to create everything?
Kat:
Well Bob, I guess it goes with everything, God has to grant us the understanding of any of the things that we learn.... that has been the case all along. When you think about back through history as far as we can see, there knowledge of even this very earth was filled with conjecture and much of it wrong. So what happened to change what we understand? God has a plan and He had determined from the beginning when it was time for technology. Now not only do we have microscopes that can look into the tiny details of a cell, but also telescopes that search into the far reaches of outer space.
That has made a big difference, now it's not just conjecture, but study of real things as they are happening and seeing things we didn't know about before. Now we only have a very narrow view of these things, and a person is limited on how much they can learn, by the actual length of their life. It's a slow process of gathering information, but this is information of actual real things or events that is being gathered and built on from one generation to the next. Over time this information has began to produce results. Now with the internet and information is shared pretty much instantly, this makes it possible to share and learn even more. That makes me think of what God said about those people building the tower of Babel...
Gen 11:6 And the LORD said, "Indeed the people are one and they all have one language, and this is what they begin to do; now nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them.
We no longer believe the earth is flat, that's something that was learned... and those telescopes are picking up real images of other planets. Having so many planets to view and what does take a very long time to unfold as they develop, but now with telescopes they can actual evaluate to different stages in different planets and learn how they develop through the stages that can take millions of years.
Sure there is many problems with the way things are done in this world, corruption is everywhere, so no we cannot just latch onto everything as true that we hear. But if we become so jaded that we cannot believe anything at, well isn't that like throwing out the baby with the bathwater, so to speak. Scientist require big money to operate, that's true, but if it is so corrupted that it disrupts the real honest work of science to the degree that it is not productive at all and there is no truth in it, won't that defeat the purpose of it? We have to believe that some of the information is true and that is bared out over time and observation and lots of trial and error.
I really think we are living in unprecedented times, growth of knowledge in every direction is incredible.
Dan 12:4 "But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase."
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Dennis Vogel:
I just assume you have watched all of Ray's videos Bob. He has an entire series about the age of the earth, etc. which includes a short talk about a Christian museum that falsely shows dinosaur bones embedded in the Grand Canyon walls.
If there is strong scientific proof that the earth is about 5 billion years old then I don't have a problem with it. If that's how long it took to get to modern man, no problem. And the bible certainly does not contradict the earth being billions of years old.
And I do not believe scientist go out of their way to lie. They are more honest than most Christian leaders.
Ray did not say it took God billions of years to birth the wisdom it took to create the universe. We don't know how long it took. We don't even know if time existed when God planned the universe.
Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
God is not a man. The passing of time for Him is not the same as it is for us.
Just because we cannot see or understand things does not prove anything. All it proves is we don't know.
rick:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on March 03, 2015, 06:36:55 PM ---
And I do not believe scientist go out of their way to lie. They are more honest than most Christian leaders.
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This statement is true unless they are supported through government grants of course. :(
lurquer:
So very true, Rick. Scientists do lie. Many have been caught in the act of course. Many more work their "craft" on a very self-serving agenda, and often incorporate their preferred biases into their 'deductions'. I've seen it with my own eyes a-plenty.
But Kat's points are still valid...God did give his creatures senses and a mind to interpret the data they sense. Knowledge has indeed increased, a thousand-fold, since Daniel's time; his prediction is true. But the priests of knowledge--the 'scientists'--do lord it over the rest of humanity. Like the lawyers of Jesus' time, they "have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.".
By that I mean, just as the christian leaders of today do not merely present their followers with the raw data and allow them to interpret it for themselves (anathema!) , they must insist on also interpreting it for us.
Don't think so? Ask one of them to define a "fact".
Dave in Tenn:
--- Quote from: indianabob on March 03, 2015, 12:41:52 AM ---
The "big bang theory" is just that, a theory that has recently come into disrepute due to further examination over time. From one perspective it states that God lit the fuse and stood back and let the concentrated energy/matter expand to fill the previously created infinite space.
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Disrepute? Bad choice of words, Bob. To find argument in science is as easy as finding sand on beaches. That's what science is all about.
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