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144,000
Topaz:
Yep...it's me again.
I had someone ask me who the 144,000 represented. I have an idea but am not for certain.
I know Ray has probably written on this......I would just like an idea in what part of his site I might find it?
As I had said once before....so little time and so much to read........
Sorry if I am bring something up that seems repititious (not sure of that spelling)
God be with us
...Topaz
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jerry:
the 144000 reprecent the church does'nt it? Only God can know who they are or even if it is a numbered group of people. I think anyway.......jerry
MG:
I was looking for scriptures years ago to see if the rapture was true and came across these scriptures concerning the 144,000. At that time it was these scriptures that told me that there was no rapture before the first resurrection. At that time I understood it as only the 144,000 were in the first resurrection, but I believe that Ray says that all who are in Christ will take part in the first resurrection. Revelation 7:9 seems to be the rest of those in Christ in the first resurrection. I'll see if I can find what Ray writes about the first resurrection. I need to start taking notes so I can find things again after I've read them. :)
Revelation 7
1And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
2And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
4And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
5Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
6Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
7Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
8Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
9After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
11And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
12Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
16They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
Revelation 14
1And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
2And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
3And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
5And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
Revelation 20
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
orion77:
(Rev 20:4) And I saw thrones, and they sat on them. And judgment was given to them, and the souls of the ones having been beheaded because of the witness of Jesus, and because of the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast nor its image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand. And they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
When one, by God, accepts, sees, and realizes, the witness of Jesus, then this is the beheading of the carnal mind, who did not worship the beast (us). And they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. This thousand years, I am not totally sure about. Many say that Christ will come back in some huge physical way and physically reign here on earth for a thousand years.
Of all the many false teachings that orthodox teaches, this thousand year reign has me a little stumped, because as far as I am concerned, Christ has already returned. Because, He, the Comforter is in us. This to me, is why the trinity doctrine is false, because He is in us, not some separate entity. He is the Holy Spirit, the Comforter.
Hope to not get off subject, but can someone explain this thousand year reign? Is it something to come or is it something going on now for the elect. Because, I can honestly say, I no longer reign in this life He gave me. I have, not of something I did, but by what God has done, I am no longer master of my own destiny, it is His life, not mine, anymore. I have relinquished, through the chastisement of God, the control over to the rightful owner. Amen.
God bless,
Gary
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