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hillsbororiver:

--- Quote from: buddyjc on July 27, 2006, 03:55:57 PM ---That was a good point Joe.  I have been trying to see a better way of explaining that the resurrection has not occured yet.  Thank you.

The 144,000 are symbolic of the elect.  Remember that the physical Jews are no longer considered Jews. 

Rom 2:28  For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

Rom 2:29  But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Brian

--- End quote ---

Brian, you are very welcome.

Joe

orion77:
Very good post, Joe.

I agree with all of Rays writings here, but, to be honest it still does not answer the question of "the thousand year reign".  Maybe I am missing something.

This is the dilemma I have, for looking for some huge physical appearing of our Lord.  To put it simply, how can He come and physically reign, when He is already in us.  He reigns from the throne, the temple.  Now, all of us have relinquished our false authority, and have returned it to the rightful owner, to where He reigns, because it is no longer us who live, but Him who is in us.  He lives and reigns now, no longer us (the beast).


(Mat 24:23)  Then if anyone says to you, Behold, here is the Christ! Or, Here! Do not believe.

(Mat 24:24)  For false christs and false prophets will rise up. And they will give great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.

(Mat 24:25)  Behold, I tell you beforehand.

(Mat 24:26)  Then if they say to you, Behold, He is in the wilderness; do not go out. Behold, He is in the inner rooms; do not believe.

(Mat 24:27)  For as the lightning comes forth from the east and shines as far as the west, so also will be the coming of the Son of Man.

(Mat 24:28)  For wherever the dead body may be, there the eagles will be gathered.


(Rom 7:4)  So that, my brothers, you also were made dead to the Law through the body of Christ, for you to become Another's, to the One raised from the dead, so that we may bear fruit to God.

(Rom 7:5)  For when we were in the flesh, the passions of sin were working in our members through the Law for the bearing of fruit unto death.


(Rom 8:10)  But if Christ is in you, the body indeed is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

(Rom 8:11)  But if the Spirit of the One having raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the One having raised the Christ from the dead will also make your mortal bodies live through the indwelling of His Spirit in you.


(Col 1:26)  the mystery having been hidden from the ages and from the generations, but now was revealed to His saints;

(Col 1:27)  to whom God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the nations, who is Christ in you, the hope of glory;

(Col 1:28)  whom we announce, warning every man and teaching every man in all wisdom, that we may present every man full-grown in Christ Jesus,


For us, the ones who have Christ in us, He has already returned.  This body of sin, (flesh) has died, now it is the Spirit who raised Christ which lives in us.  So, why do we look for some physical return, when He is in us, now. 

It is not my intent to cause anything that is contrary to Rays teaching.  Just a question, that is all.  Also, I am not trying to teach anyone anything, just hoping to grow and learn in the truth.

God bless,

Gary

hillsbororiver:
Hi Gary,

No problem at all Brother, there are many mysteries that He will unfold to us in His time.

Yes, He is in His chosen presently preparing them/us to be lords & priests to rule the rest (called & unbelievers) of the world, working with Him to fulfill the will of the Father. What a glorious mission He is preparing us for.

His Peace to you,

Joe

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