I have'nt looked at the prophets as prophecies of doom and gloom in many years but have understood that tribulation is part of the process of the work God is doing in us,did I say somthing to made you think I did?Im sorry I did'nt make my post clear on that.I did'nt want of appear to be teaching but just shareing things I was studying,Should we think of Gods judgement as gloom and doom or being a good thing,Revelations 19 chapter shows a lot to rejoicing over the destruction of babylon the great whoever she may be.I remember when my sister had her last baby in my house,how she screemed with the pain of giving birth it seemed to have gone on for hours and what really shocked me was the absolute joy and laughter and smiling she experienced emediantly after she gave birth it really seemed so unbeleavable to me,If giving birth is the symble of this life transforming into the glorious how can we block from our minds the things that God himself has put in order as part of the process of the glorious work he is doing in us good and bad.Ive had to go through a lot of pain,anxiety,fear,lonleyness,distress,rejection to gain the very small progress Ive made until now,want this whole world have to go through this same process? should we as Gods people Ignore it, is it possiable, or should we praise God,for me at least its easier to just except it that bad times are coming,but rejoice.isnt Gods judgement an good thing, Is this the proper attiude?...........Jerry