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orion77:
--- Quote from: Dan on August 03, 2006, 12:46:05 PM ---1 Corinthinans 5
12What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."
Almost everyone looks at verses like this with fleshly understanding. They do the very same thing the scribes and pharisees did to the woman who was caught in adultry.
They believed she was a sinner and need to be Expelled.
Jesus told them that the one who is without sin can start the expelling.(cast the first stone)
Joh 8:9 But hearing, and being convicted by the conscience, they went out one by one, beginning from the older ones, until the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the middle.
Joh 8:10 And Jesus bending back up, and having seen no one but the woman, He said to her, Woman, where are those, the accusers of you? Did not one give judgment against you?
Joh 8:11 And she said, No one, Lord. And Jesus said to her, Neither do I judge you. Go, and sin no more.
Joh 8:12 Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, I am the Light of the world. The one following Me will in no way walk in the darkness, but will have the light of life.
The only one who was qualified to expel or cast a stone or punish for sins done, chose to give mercy and love and forgiveness. This is the way those who are qualified to judge others will judge, not by "punishment, reproof, correction, lashes" but by mercy!
Rom 9:16 So, then, it is not of the one willing, nor of the one running, but of the One showing mercy, of God
Rom 11:31 so also these now have disobeyed, so that they also may obtain mercy by your mercy.
Rom 11:32 For God shut up all into disobedience, that He may show mercy to all.
Luk 10:36 Who, then, of these three seems to you to have become a neighbor to the one having fallen among the plunderers?
Luk 10:37 And he said, The one doing the deed of mercy with him. Then Jesus said to him, Go, and you do likewise.
This is what it is to be Christ like, we forgive them because they dont know what they are doing!
"Expel the wicked man from among you" -- this is YOU
remember the scribes and pharisees went to expel the wicked woman only to be expelled themselves.
When Christ says to get the plank out of your eye FIRST. He saying show mercy on others because you have sin also. no finger pointing, no expelling..
and if you are without sin (no more plank) you are to judge like Christ judged ..."Jesus said to her, Neither do I judge you"
Rom 3:10 according as it has been written, "There is not a righteous one, not even one!"
Rom 3:11 "There is not one understanding; there is not one seeking God."
Rom 3:12 All turned away, they became worthless together, not one is doing goodness, not so much as one!
Rom 3:23 for all sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Rom 3:24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption in Christ Jesus
when we read the scriptures, those of the flesh are blinded and deaf. Those of the spirit see with their eyes and hear with their ears.
The flesh sees: wrath, judgement, pain, retribution, punishment, you get what you deserve
The Spirit sees: Love, Forgiveness, Mercy, Grace
Luk 7:41 There were two debtors to a certain creditor: the one owed five hundred denarii and the other fifty.(one sinned more than the other)
Luk 7:42 But they not having a thing to pay, he freely forgave both. Then which of them do you say will love him most?
Luk 7:43 And answering, Simon said, I suppose the one to whom he freely forgave the most. And He said to him, You have judged rightly.
--- End quote ---
Dan, very well said. Are not we thankful that God IS, love, mercy and forgiveness? Lucky for us all, and these are what we are to become.
(1Co 13:4) Love has patience, is kind; love is not envious; love is not vain, is not puffed up;
(1Co 13:5) does not behave indecently, does not pursue its own things, is not easily provoked, thinks no evil;
(1Co 13:6) does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices in the truth.
(1Co 13:7) Love quietly covers all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
God bless,
Gary
Joey Porter:
--- Quote from: arnold on August 03, 2006, 05:46:57 PM ---Read your last post,
You said you wondered if Calvinist would burn in hell forever. That an indication that you believe hell is forever right?
you are the author of that post right.
And just to let you know I am not trying to be harmful in anyway, just trying to figure it out.
arnold
--- End quote ---
Not sure if this was for me, but I mentioned calvinists a while ago so perhaps it is.
My point is that I wonder if they will be led to believe that they were chosen by God to burn in hell forever, and so be tormented by their own teaching. Not that they actually would burn in hell forever.
Joey Porter:
--- Quote from: Dan on August 03, 2006, 12:46:05 PM ---1 Corinthinans 5
12What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."
Almost everyone looks at verses like this with fleshly understanding. They do the very same thing the scribes and pharisees did to the woman who was caught in adultry.
They believed she was a sinner and need to be Expelled.
Jesus told them that the one who is without sin can start the expelling.(cast the first stone)
Joh 8:9 But hearing, and being convicted by the conscience, they went out one by one, beginning from the older ones, until the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the middle.
Joh 8:10 And Jesus bending back up, and having seen no one but the woman, He said to her, Woman, where are those, the accusers of you? Did not one give judgment against you?
Joh 8:11 And she said, No one, Lord. And Jesus said to her, Neither do I judge you. Go, and sin no more.
Joh 8:12 Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, I am the Light of the world. The one following Me will in no way walk in the darkness, but will have the light of life.
The only one who was qualified to expel or cast a stone or punish for sins done, chose to give mercy and love and forgiveness. This is the way those who are qualified to judge others will judge, not by "punishment, reproof, correction, lashes" but by mercy!
Rom 9:16 So, then, it is not of the one willing, nor of the one running, but of the One showing mercy, of God
Rom 11:31 so also these now have disobeyed, so that they also may obtain mercy by your mercy.
Rom 11:32 For God shut up all into disobedience, that He may show mercy to all.
Luk 10:36 Who, then, of these three seems to you to have become a neighbor to the one having fallen among the plunderers?
Luk 10:37 And he said, The one doing the deed of mercy with him. Then Jesus said to him, Go, and you do likewise.
This is what it is to be Christ like, we forgive them because they dont know what they are doing!
"Expel the wicked man from among you" -- this is YOU
remember the scribes and pharisees went to expel the wicked woman only to be expelled themselves.
When Christ says to get the plank out of your eye FIRST. He saying show mercy on others because you have sin also. no finger pointing, no expelling..
and if you are without sin (no more plank) you are to judge like Christ judged ..."Jesus said to her, Neither do I judge you"
Rom 3:10 according as it has been written, "There is not a righteous one, not even one!"
Rom 3:11 "There is not one understanding; there is not one seeking God."
Rom 3:12 All turned away, they became worthless together, not one is doing goodness, not so much as one!
Rom 3:23 for all sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Rom 3:24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption in Christ Jesus
when we read the scriptures, those of the flesh are blinded and deaf. Those of the spirit see with their eyes and hear with their ears.
The flesh sees: wrath, judgement, pain, retribution, punishment, you get what you deserve
The Spirit sees: Love, Forgiveness, Mercy, Grace
Luk 7:41 There were two debtors to a certain creditor: the one owed five hundred denarii and the other fifty.(one sinned more than the other)
Luk 7:42 But they not having a thing to pay, he freely forgave both. Then which of them do you say will love him most?
Luk 7:43 And answering, Simon said, I suppose the one to whom he freely forgave the most. And He said to him, You have judged rightly.
--- End quote ---
I think there is God given discernment that must be used when executing judgment for different, individual cases. For example, I still have many weaknesses of the flesh, so I really try not to judge or rebuke others who have those same weaknesses. However, in certain cases, I think we are probably instructed to point out to a brother any willful sin with a hardened heart. For example, Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 5:
11But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.
Again, I believe this is someone who is repeatedly shown the truth of his sinful actions and yet hardens himself and still tries to associate with honest seeking brethren. Sometimes it can be tricky to discern, but we can't allow that type of behavior in our midst or else we ourselves may fall pray to disobedience. We should always be merciful in our judgments, but we must also keep in mind:
Galatians 6
1Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted.
This is not an easy task, walking that fine line of showing a brother his faults gently, without falling victim to sinfulness ourselves. On the other hand, we must not be too overbearing, especially if someone is committing a sin that may be a weakness of our own, lest we make ourselves out to be a hypocrite.
Dan:
One thing I would like to add is:
As Joey said, the wages of sin is death.
it does not say, the wages of sin is punishment after death.
rocky:
--- Quote from: Dan on August 03, 2006, 10:57:18 PM ---One thing I would like to add is:
As Joey said, the wages of sin is death.
it does not say, the wages of sin is punishment after death.
--- End quote ---
Don't we all die?? And since we all do, don't we all receive our wages?
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