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In relation to the coming of Jesus and the revealing of the man of lawlessness

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thewatchman:
chance in the form I used meant opportunity. How did you all go off on this ridiculous bender? obedience and suffering the cleansing fires of gehennas fires does bring a reward. It's not salvation of the masses. It is election and adoption.

Avidfisher:
Okay then how do you reconcile with the verses in Romans that Say none Are righteous or seek after God or understand .

Avidfisher:
Christ had nowhere to lay his head the foxes have holes in the bird had nests.  None are righteous It says none are righteous or seek after God.  I think the key here is 1 simple verse.  Let not sin reign in your mortal body.  I won't go in to why I think it is crazy to even suggest 1 lives without sin.  The key is like Ray said we are all of the beast the only difference is is it has been manifested in some to realize itto and others it has not.

thewatchman:
there is no conflict with what I said and Romans. I cannot comprehend why you would think so. Christ within us is our hope of Glory. Any righteousness any of us has is only to the measure and the fullness and stature of Christ worked within us. I never stated otherwise, so why do you think I did? I said quite clearly that we must die to the flesh. Did you miss that?

Kat:

Hi thewatchman,

I see where you are coming from, I'll just add a bit more to it.

Mat 16:24  Then Jesus said to His disciples, "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me.
v. 25  For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.

We know that "the carnal mind is enmity against God" (Rom. 8:7). So where does this motivation/desire to follow Christ come from?

Php 2:12  Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
v. 13  for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.

So we have been given the motivation from God to "work out our own salvation,"  "to run the race," this does not come from our own 'self' motivation, only if God "draws us," through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. And yes there is a glorious prize to keep us motivated towards our ultimate goal.  It should be a joy to have this hope of being born into the kingdom in the first resurrection.

Luke 12:32  "Do not fear, little flock, for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

But to reign with Christ is only for those few elected and prepared in this life. The rest will certainly enter the kingdom, but not to reign and rule with Christ. That's what makes being in the first resurrection such a prize and one to highly desire.

http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,1529.msg12918.html#msg12918 -----

The "Kingdom of God" is the kingdom that will rule the nations under the Kingship of Jesus Christ, composed of lesser kings, lords, priests, and judges.  These kings, lords, priests, and judges, are composed of the ranks of God's Chosen Elect Saints.
 
Only those worthy of the First resurrection from the death will ever rule with Christ in the Kingdom of God. Those who are judged, purified and saved in the Great White Throne Judgment will be in God's family, but they will never be rulers with Christ.
 
And don't ask any more detailed questions on this, because it would take hours to answer you, and I just don't have the time. Much of this material is already covered in my Lake of Fire series. Hope you understand.

God be with you,

Ray

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