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Killing/Murder
Kat:
Well sometimes I think that question 'what would Jesus do' is the best answer in many situations.
We need to remember that there is no situation that we will find our self in, that God is not right there with us.
Acts 17:27 so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;
So no matter what dangerous a situation we may find our self in, do we believe that we have to take matters into our own hands because God can not or will not help us? There has to be trust in this 'all powerful' God that we claim to serve and obey.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
indianabob:
Well said Arion and Kat,
This is a difficult subject and benefits from much personal meditation on the part of each of us.
Learning to trust God fully is not possible in this life, but is a goal toward which we struggle.
I have been a police officer and do hold a carry permit, however what I have noticed as I get older is that my .45 ACP stays locked up away from children's curious eyes & fingers and from my own weakened fingers since I have arthritis and can't always operate the slide to load a cartridge.
I have seriously contemplated what I would be able to do if awakened in the night by an intruder and my most recent feeling is that I would pray quietly, "Father I believe, help thou my unbelief"
Ole Indiana Bob
Gina:
I don't own any guns, never have. I just don't like them for myself. I can see an intruder coming through my door and me freaking out and fumbling to get my gun and then shooting myself in the foot (or God forbid, shooting but missing my target, and inadvertently killing an innocent bystander. Don't really want that hanging over my head. Or... I'd get the intruder who would turn around and sue me (and win!) for being injured in my home. Injured? Yes. Because I just don't think I could shoot to kill. But I'd have no problem making his voice seven or eight octaves higher. lol ) I see why police have to have guns and weapons (they don't carry the sword for nothing). But we're getting totally sidetracked here. Ray was juxtaposing the physical with the spiritual. First the physical, then the spiritual.
arion:
Tis a conundrum as with many things one can argue both sides of the question. What I do know is that God is doing a work in us all and we are not where we were at spiritually 5 years ago and 5 years from now if we are still around we will not be where we are at spiritually now if God is working in us. Five years ago I would of answered some of these things much differently.
We do have responsibilities to provide for our own and protecting our spouse (if your male) and your children are parental responsibilities. Even for the women I doubt if there is a female on this forum that if a man broke into your house to rape your daughter or molest your son that you would do everything in your power to stop him up to and including deadly force if it was called for. I do know that where I am at right now is that even if it was lawful for me to take a life and even if it was permissible under the scriptures I sure wouldn't want that on my conscience.
HoneyLamb56:
I just happened to be reading Exodus 20/21 about laws concerning violence. And there is somewhere in OT about someone killing in self defence and a place of refuge for a determined time. Can see how the basis for our judicial system started.
This aside, my opinion is that someone of sound mind who premeditates taking a life (murder); someone whom God gave over to a depraved mind (murder); someone mentally delusional, although may be premeditated (killing); to have a military is an act of defence against aggressors (killing); most people of sound mind do not want to kill but must do so in an act of self defence; God has molded us the way we are and in the end he will deal with us, as only he knows the true intent of our minds and hearts. Just keep praying that he will lead us to the right action when encountering a confrontational situation.
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