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Adam and Eve were NEVER perfect and were born into sin.
nightmare sasuke:
From the very beginning, man was born into the law:
Gen 2:16 And instructing is Yahweh Elohim the human, saying, "From every tree of the garden, you are to eat, yea, eat.
Gen 2:17 Yet from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you are not to be eating from it, for in the day you eat from it, to die shall you be dying [because it would defy the law, the rule, which Yahweh defined].
Merriam-Webster defines law thus: “A binding custom or practice of a community … a rule of conduct or action prescribed or formally recognized as binding or enforced by a controlling authority [in this case, Yahweh] … a rule of construction or procedure.�
Merriam-Webster, moreover, defines rule as: “a prescribed guide for conduct or action …�
Yahweh’s commandment advising Adam and Eve not to eat of the tree of good and evil was a rule, a law. Thus, Adam and Eve—created from corruptible dust in the form of nakedness (sin)—were born into the law.
What does Paul have to say about laws, and rules?
Rom 4:15 for the law is producing indignation. Now where no law is, neither is there transgression.�
Adam and Eve were never “perfect,� for they were under the law in the beginning, and where the law is, transgression lurks also; if you know law, you know sin; if you know good then you know evil (thus why the fruits of good and evil are produced from one tree).
Thedistance:
That rocks Nightmare!! 8)
Peace to you in CHrist,
Erich
broken:
--- Quote from: nightmare sasuke ---From the very beginning, man was born into the law:
Gen 2:16 And instructing is Yahweh Elohim the human, saying, "From every tree of the garden, you are to eat, yea, eat.
Gen 2:17 Yet from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you are not to be eating from it, for in the day you eat from it, to die shall you be dying [because it would defy the law, the rule, which Yahweh defined].
Merriam-Webster defines law thus: “A binding custom or practice of a community … a rule of conduct or action prescribed or formally recognized as binding or enforced by a controlling authority [in this case, Yahweh] … a rule of construction or procedure.�
Merriam-Webster, moreover, defines rule as: “a prescribed guide for conduct or action …�
Yahweh’s commandment advising Adam and Eve not to eat of the tree of good and evil was a rule, a law. Thus, Adam and Eve—created from corruptible dust in the form of nakedness (sin)—were born into the law.
What does Paul have to say about laws, and rules?
Rom 4:15 for the law is producing indignation. Now where no law is, neither is there transgression.�
Adam and Eve were never “perfect,� for they were under the law in the beginning, and where the law is, transgression lurks also; if you know law, you know sin; if you know good then you know evil (thus why the fruits of good and evil are produced from one tree).
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That's pretty poor exegesis.
I must ask a question before commenting further...
1. Did God originally create any imperfect being?
2. How can Jesus be described as the "second Adam" if Adam was created sinful?
Brandon
jerry cabral:
Boy, All that from a couple of verses, one question, if they were naked and were not ashamed so are you saying that they were not ashamed of sin and I cant seem to read were he says that the dust of curruptable.
Well I guess the children of man or children of men seems to alway put the cart before the horse. Now some say that to be with God one needs to be purified, for you have to be pure to be in the presents of God I dont know but they hanged with him. Good justifing ones inperfection like a teenager saying well my parents wernt perfect, thats why. Sin was introduced to perfection, not perfection introducef to sin. But if you really want to know what happend in the Garden I would say one could study the Song of Solomon, and a little in Job.
Peace be with You.
nightmare sasuke:
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--- Quote from: nightmare sasuke ---From the very beginning, man was born into the law:
Gen 2:16 And instructing is Yahweh Elohim the human, saying, "From every tree of the garden, you are to eat, yea, eat.
Gen 2:17 Yet from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you are not to be eating from it, for in the day you eat from it, to die shall you be dying [because it would defy the law, the rule, which Yahweh defined].
Merriam-Webster defines law thus: “A binding custom or practice of a community … a rule of conduct or action prescribed or formally recognized as binding or enforced by a controlling authority [in this case, Yahweh] … a rule of construction or procedure.�
Merriam-Webster, moreover, defines rule as: “a prescribed guide for conduct or action …�
Yahweh’s commandment advising Adam and Eve not to eat of the tree of good and evil was a rule, a law. Thus, Adam and Eve—created from corruptible dust in the form of nakedness (sin)—were born into the law.
What does Paul have to say about laws, and rules?
Rom 4:15 for the law is producing indignation. Now where no law is, neither is there transgression.�
Adam and Eve were never “perfect,� for they were under the law in the beginning, and where the law is, transgression lurks also; if you know law, you know sin; if you know good then you know evil (thus why the fruits of good and evil are produced from one tree).
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That's pretty poor exegesis.
I must ask a question before commenting further...
1. Did God originally create any imperfect being?
2. How can Jesus be described as the "second Adam" if Adam was created sinful?
Brandon
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1. “1. Did God originally create any imperfect being?� From our human-like standpoint, why, yes he did--Satan:
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it" (KJV).
Some people foolishly believe Satan was once Lucifer (a word, which is not in the Hebrew manuscripts) However, if Satan had "free will," he WOULD CONTAIN TRUTH, he just would not be choosing to embrace it. To choose between good and evil, you must first have some good in you, but Satan HAS NO TRUTH (good) IN HIM, so he couldn't have chose even if he wanted to. By the way, Jesus said "murderer from the beginning," and not "became a murderer after he, with his God-will-defying free will, chose to be evil even though he had no reason to."
By the way, God created Satan FOR A PURPOSE:
Isa 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy" (KJV).
2. "How can Jesus be described as the "second Adam" if Adam was created sinful?" What do you mean? Christ was born into the flesh, naked, in a corruptible body, BUT HE OVERCAME IT, because he is the Son of God; Christ had to overcome his flesh, to fulfill God's will, and the prophecies, just like Adam had to sin in his body, to fulfill God's will.
Do you mean to suggest God wanted Adam and Eve to live in natural bodies for the rest of their lives? I DO NOT THINK SO! It was always God’s plan for us to be “sown a natural body; [and be] raised a spiritual body� (1Co 15:44).
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