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Adam and Eve were NEVER perfect and were born into sin.
hillsbororiver:
Laren, don't we come into contact daily with those who are "alive in the flesh" who have no internal "warring"? They are at peace with the beast? I believe Mike was being literal where Paul's statement is spiritual. Remember flesh will not inherit the Kingdom of God, so Adam was predestined to die, it is part of his and our ongoing "creation" spiritually into sons of God. I think Paul explains this in more detail later in the chapter.
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself, serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Joe
roperfam:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver ---Laren, don't we come into contact daily with those who are "alive in the flesh" who have no internal "warring"? They are at peace with the beast? I believe Mike was being literal where Paul's statement is spiritual. Remember flesh will not inherit the Kingdom of God, so Adam was predestined to die, it is part of his and our ongoing "creation" spiritually into sons of God. I think Paul explains this in more detail later in the chapter.
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself, serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Joe
--- End quote ---
Interesting way to look at it, "alive in the flesh". no internal warring, at peace with the beast". Seems like a good explanation at this time, I'll do more thinking. Thanks.
jerry cabral:
I understand Adam and Eve had to be unperfect and they had to have lust in there heart along with disobiendient. I mean like ray says the major doctrine is wrong, i mean they have to be. I mean they dont have a clue. I mean anyone else in the garden would of done the same thing. They have to be wrong for me to be right. Is that the rational. My question if why a Son of God in which Adam is would do that. If all would strive with the common thread that All religions basiclly believe in the same Father,Supreme Being, Alla, Most High. The Major Churchs are right along with anyone who knows Jesus the Christ is the Beloved Son of the Most High His Father, the only Creator there is. I still say in the Song of Solomon and Job is were what happen in that Garden is plus alot more.
Peace be with You.
rvhill:
A couple of points here. It true Adam was not perfect, but the Original Sin is Satan's. The Original sin is Pride.
Genesis 3:4But the serpent said to the woman, You shall not surely die,(B)
5For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing the difference between good and evil and blessing and calamity.
Also the woman was Adam, and she was not named Eve until after they had both eaten of the tree, and been confronted by God.
Alan:
--- Quote from: jerry cabral ---My question if why a Son of God in which Adam is would do that.
--- End quote ---
Adam was marred clay in the Potter's hands, just as we all are.
(Jer 18:4-6....Rom 8:20)
He had to eat from the tree. It wasn't some fabled free will choice.
(Eph 1:11)
22 ΒΆ And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and live for ever:
It doesn't say that Adam chose to become one of us!
Those that are called will eat, or are still eating of that tree. (drinking...Milk of the Word, or another Jesus)
(2 Cor 11:4)
The law of Moses is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
The chosen have eaten from the tree and are now eating spiritual food. (MEAT....the doctrines of Christ)
(Heb 5&6....2 John 9)
Peace,
Alan
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