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Being called out of the church
keys2heaven:
I agree free will is a myth, but still don't think that God is making us choose between two things. For exampl, take Eve in the garden. Did God make her choose between good and bad or was eating the fruit the only choice she could make? True, Eve sinned before eating of the tree of good & evil. So, would she have known that she was making a bad choice? It seems that she would not have until she ate.
Sure, we have the ability to make choices. No on denies that. But if the very God who knew you before you were born, knows the number of hairs on your head, certainly knows how you will chose.
If God causes all of the circumstances around us that lead to our "choosing" that doesn't mean that God is ignorant of the choice we make beforehand. To us, it may seem that we had a choice to make, but God already knew the choice that was made.
Am I hosed up on this?
hillsbororiver:
No, our choice in any matter does not surprise Him as He knows our heart/mind. It is not the actual physical acts that judge us it is our thoughts and desires.
If I were to help Joyful1 change her tire as she was on her way to the hospital to have the finger she cut while doing the dishes treated, and as I helped her I was silently swearing and cussing about not really having the time to do it and now my clothes are all sweaty and dirty, I still have helped out physically but where do my thoughts have me spiritually?
He creates the circumstances (the mold) that shapes His pottery (clay).
After I calm down and meditate and grieve over my thoughts I realize how weak and carnal I really am and humbly pray for His Spirit to strengthen me, to remake my spirit more pleasing to Him.
This is how He molds and shapes us.
I can assure you I did not (or even mean to imply) surprise God in my actions and thoughts.
I hope this clears up my point.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
joyful1:
::::::getting out the FREE WILL notes again to read once more!:::::
::::papers flying all over the floor, making a perfect reason to avoid those dishes on the counter::::::
;D
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