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what did Christ die for ?
ez2u:
thanks Kat you came through once again!!!! ;D pretty clear now with this understanding
darren:
we have scripture that tells us Jesus died for our sins. past sins, present sins and sin we will commit in the future. does anyone has scripture that tells Jesus died so we can have his seed to be spread through humanity, Jesus died so God can show us how much He loves us. could be wrong but i dint think so. Jesus was the Lame to be sacerficed to pay the penalty for mankind sins. the payment for sin is death. our carnal spirit could never be one WI the Holy Spirit spirit. the many that are called would never understand Scripture, therefore some humans would never become the few. sorry got carried away. sin is why Jesus died. we would never know The Lord God if the payment was paid. i could b wrong. Wouldn't b the first or the last time I'm wrong
ez2u:
some here are missing the question The question is wil our souls be redeemed or are spirits or will be a body glorified
Dennis Vogel:
Earlier Dave posted several comments by Ray. Here is one that should answer your question:
Yes, there is a spirit in man (AND ALL ANIMALS). Nothing can live without "spirit." Spirit IS life (Ecc. 8:8; Ecc. 12:7; Luke 23:46; I Cor. 2:11; etc.). There is no consciousness in our spirit alone. There is only consciousness (soul) when man's spirit is combined with a body. God retains our spirit until resurrection when He puts our spirit into a new body and we once again become conscious or receive back the quality of "soul." We are said to have new "spiritual" bodies, not that we are made "spirits."
In another thread Joel pointed out:
Psalms 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
So yes, Jesus has a soul. But did He require a 'new' spiritual body considering He was without sin and the Creator?
Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Joh 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Joh 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
So it is clear that when Mary saw Jesus in the morning He had not yet ascended to His Father and she could not touch Him. But that same evening He had Thomas shove his hand into the hole in His side (touch Him).
Was what Mary saw in the morning a physical body?
Was that body Jesus used to show Thomas a glorified body? It was not allowed to 'see corruption' (decay) but was it even alive? Was the heart beating causing blood to circulate and run out of His wounds? Or was Jesus simply using that body to communicate? Is He still using that same body in heaven? Did He have a physical body before He emptied Himself and became human?
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
jeetkunejimi:
Hi ez2u,
the way I ultimately see it is that our Lord Jesus Christ came to save us all from our sinful selves. He [Jesus] is the example of how God [YHWH] wants and wills us all to end up, and so it will be done.
Christ's life is like one big parable showing what we must all go through to become what God has planned from before the beginning, including one of the most important things, that of dying to 'self'. Jesus showed us how to die to 'self' in the garden of Gethsemane and then on a cross. To me this is why EVERYTHING hinges on Christ and his life as Jesus of Nazareth on earth all those years ago, because without him and his pattern, his example, we would all be lost. Just doomed to death, but through Jesus we are fated to life and immortality, victory over death, ever after with God.
This to me is the real 'GOOD NEWS', that ALL will go through what Christ has demonstrated with such conviction and love and all will be restored and united with God (Acts 3:19-21), Amen.
So I would conclude that Jesus died for our incapability to not sin, and that he alone is the KEY to unlocking our destiny, the KEY OF LOVE.
Sincerely,
Jimi. :).
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