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what did Christ die for ?
ICXCNIKA:
--- Quote from: Rex8 on March 11, 2013, 02:01:47 PM ---
....this a direct quote from Ray
"... God died for us for no other reason than to show us that HE LOVES US! He did not have to die. He said, I will do it to show them."
--- End quote ---
I see nothing flawed with what Ray said, or why he said it.
There's a lot involved with "showing us that HE LOVES US!" HE (CHRIST) absolutely did not have to suffer and die for us, nor for that matter did HE have to create us in the first place! Everything HE has done, is doing, and will do, is HIM showing us that he LOVES us. Every nuance, period! Dave is correct when he states: "I hope you don't see those things as mutually exclusive." We must always remember that the TRUTH is in the sum.
I believe we are admonished to keep this in mind: "Do everything in love." (1 Corinthians 16:14) This reflects the very motives of our Lord and Savior, HE is our example. "In this made perfect hath been the love with us, that boldness we may have in the day of the judgment, because even as He is, we -- we also are in this world;" (1 john 4:17- emphasis mine)
Barbara B:
Our Father’s plan was to make a physical creation. Why, I don’t know but I like to think it was much like we wish to have children. We know when we bear offspring they are coming into a world of pain and suffering yet we also know, they are coming into a realm of many wonders, joy and love. Could God have created us like the angels? Of course, He could have. However, the angels have never known the glory of the physical realm! We seem to forget that most of the time.
Physical things are not immortal and eventually must die so, of course, God made a provision to ‘rescue’ His children from that fate. In doing so, He provided someone physically JUST LIKE US to not only let us know that darkness of the grave is NOT the end of our existence but the beginning of a much greater existence – a realm we don’t (and can’t) really understand. That physical man showed us just a portion of that realm by laying down His physical life and by being rescued from that grave. Why? So that we may have just an inkling of HIS love for us. Can we perfectly understand 'greater love has no man but to give his life....'? I like to think I can but I don't!
By dying, He produced ‘much fruit’. By living, He ‘fertilized’ the field by walking among us, giving a PERFECT example of how we should live. In my mind, this was possibly more difficult through the years for Jesus than the horrible death on the cross. But His example was that we could be IN the world but not be OF the world, learning that physical/mental, etc. suffering is designed to bring us to humility (as the ‘Preacher’ tells us in Ecc), awe and wonder. But only through HIS grace and love, by walking in Him, loving our fellow man, showing HIM to others and ‘laying down’ our carnal lives to the service of others can we possibly come to TRUE humility. Only through HIS grace can we begin to truly understand that without HIM not only is the grave our ultimate destiny, but the physical life is so empty and tiresome. How can one wake up every morning to see the sunrise and hear a bird sing be unable to SEE His glory and not be brought to their knees in thankfulness for the PHYSICAL creation He gave us?
By knowing my King, I know that my loving Father has provided a way that this old, rotting physical being will someday be like HIM! How wondrous is that? He not only gave me my physical life and the wonders of it, but He begin to open my eyes for me to begin to understand that living that life differently than the world is even more wondrous than I could imagine along with the hope of being with Him beyond the grave in a realm I really don't even understand. What one of us wouldn’t do the same for our children if we could?
Joel:
Paul makes it pretty clear in the letter to the Romans as to why Christ died that even I can understand it.
(KJV) Romans 4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
(TLB) He died for our sins and rose again to make us right with God, filling us with God's goodness.
(TAB) Who was betrayed and put to death because of our misdeeds and was raised to secure our justification - our acquittal, and to make our account balance, absolving us from all guilt before God.
Joel
Rito1980:
suposedly Jesus died so we wouldnt end up in hell..even thou there is no hell.
dean kevin heyes:
EZ2U Your answer ROMANS 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of GOD is eternal life through JESUS CHRIST our LORD. We have all sinned, and as we know sin = death , we needed a substitute for a better word so what better gift can GOD give man but a savior JESUS CHRIST !!!! WE are saved by death, but death haveing no power over our LORD as HE had not sinned was destroyed, and as our spirits belong to GOD so shall they live, as for your soul, which is you, it will either have parts added or parts taken away from it in the lake of refining fire according to HIS WORD in the Bible . If you are one of the chosen, you will go through this process here on earth, and therefor, the second death has no hold on you as all men must die once. This is what the Bible says and L.Ray did teach :D
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