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accountable vs responsible?
Reg:
I'm not sure we are on the same page here Arc... Repentance and accountability are different topics although they are connected.
When I see the English term accountable I think of fault our blame...but that does not appear to be the definition of logos as translated in the above verses.
I do see how my examples may lead to the thoughts on repentance, I am having trouble finding good examples to explain myself...
Reg
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Reg on March 23, 2013, 12:09:17 AM ---I understand that man has no free will...God's will reigns supreme whether or not we realize it. I have been reading in the lake of fire series that God is responsible for the sin because he created man to be flawed so God has thus provided a solution (Jesus-salvation of all).
I am having trouble understanding how man is accountable. Saying that we willingly sin is confusing since we have no free will..I looked up the definition for accountable and the definition includes the term responsible! What we do is based on or whole sets of history, environment etc. not our choice made from nothing but free will? So confused here.
Reg
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It's very simple reg.
Because God created man practically a sinning machine, with a weak heart and because it takes spiritual strength to do what is right, man volunteers to sin on a daily basis. However, because he was created thus, God takes full responsibility by dying and one day redeeming all creation. This is God being responsible.
Now, when you decided to sin however, you wanted to in your heart, God did not force you or make you sin. You absolutely wanted to commit that sin when you did therefor you are accountable. This is you being held accountable.
Two examples;
The earth is naturally dark on its own. It is devoid of light. Earth can be made to metaphorically represent man. The sun, which can be metaphorically analogous to God, is what shines and gives light to the earth. So long as the sun is near the earth will be filled with light. However, take away that light and the earth instantly becomes dark again. So much like the earth, there is nothing in man that inately gives him the ability to Shine (Do good/right), this is the power of God.
Now the example ray uses is one of a bible verse a pornography magazine.
Lets assume you have a man in a closed room and there is absolutely no one around and no one who will know what he does in that room. Now lets assume before him are these two books, one the Word of God and the other all things carnal in the form of pornography. Which book do you think this man will choose?
The porno of course because it takes spiritual strength to do what is good and open up the Word of God over the images of beautiful naked women! This is the state in which man was created, a very weak heart, subject to vanity, carnal etc.. and so God says, Hey! I'm not an idiot, I know I'm responsible for this so I'm dying for all these sins mankind will commit and I will change you.
Man however, when he chose to open up that pornography magazine, absolutely wanted to. No one forced him, no one made him do it, He really wanted to do it. He had every intention in his heart at that moment to do it and so he will be held accountable. This is accountability.
Though God may have brought about the circumstances (responsible) which put this man in this position to sin, the man absolutely wanted to sin in that moment which he commited the sin (accountable).
Does that help?
Its how I understand it and I think its exactly how it works.
God be with you,
Alex
Reg:
Alex,
This it's what I needed to hear and need to ponder for a few thousand hours or so before it can start to sink in. I just found an email on Bible truths where Ray addresses the confusion between responsibility and accountability-then I read your reply which is in line with the email from Ray (yay two witnesses). Seems like I wasn't quite understanding lack of free will and man's ability to choose based on all the caused input...this really helps with several topics I'm struggling to grasp!
Thanks :)
Reg
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Reg on March 23, 2013, 12:30:59 PM ---Alex,
This it's what I needed to hear and need to ponder for a few thousand hours or so before it can start to sink in. I just found an email on Bible truths where Ray addresses the confusion between responsibility and accountability-then I read your reply which is in line with the email from Ray (yay two witnesses). Seems like I wasn't quite understanding lack of free will and man's ability to choose based on all the caused input...this really helps with several topics I'm struggling to grasp!
Thanks :)
Reg
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Not a problem Reg! Glad to be of service! :)
Rex8:
If you stick you hand in a fire you get a burnt hand.That is being accountable....cause and effect.Being responsible is being the one who set the causes in motion and have a purpose for them.
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