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The Transfiguration

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Gina:
Continuing.  (Sorry, I had an additional thought or two.)

Peter and the others were not in, or a part of, the vision they only witnessed the vision, which God showed them.  Only Jesus and Elijah and Moses and the voice out of heaven, were in the vision.  The disciples were literally taken up to a mountain by Jesus, where Jesus transformed in appearance to them in such a manner (and Moses and Elijah appeared also -- who, as JFK pointed out--were dead, not alive):

And the disciples were apparently caught up in ecstasy when they saw the vision:

* Syn: ECSTASY , RAPTURE , TRANSPORT , EXALTATION share a sense of being taken out of oneself or one's normal state and entering a state of heightened feeling. ECSTASY suggests an emotion so overpowering as to produce a trancelike state: religious ecstasy; an ecstasy of grief. RAPTURE most often refers to an elevated sensation of bliss or delight, either carnal or spiritual: the rapture of first love. TRANSPORT suggests a strength of feeling that often results in expression of some kind: in a transport of delight. EXALTATION refers to a heady sense of personal well-being so powerful that one is lifted above normal emotional levels: wild exaltation at having finally broken the record.

4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.


That's where the vision ends.


7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.

8 And when they [the disciples] had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.

9 And as they  [Jesus, Peter, etc.] came down from the mountain, Jesus [not a vision of Jesus] charged them, saying, Tell the vision [they had just witnessed] to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

Hopefully that helps a little.

Just out of curiosity, why do you ask?

cheekie3:
" shorty " -

I asked as I am not convinced that Jesus' Transfiguration was part of the Vision - as I believe the way the Scriptural wording is - it could be that Jesus' was Transfigured; and then Moses and Elijah appeared in a Vision.

Regards, George.

Gina:
John 8:17 In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two witnesses is true.

2 Corinthians 13:1  By the testimony of two or three witnesses every matter will be established



But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.' (Matthew 18:16)

(Matthew 26:60) But they did not find any, though many false witnesses came forward. Finally two came forward[/b]

(Hebrews 10:28) Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.

Deuteronomy 17:6 On the testimony of two or three witnesses a person is to be put to death, but no one is to be put to death on the testimony of only one witness[/u].

Here's what I find interesting.  (Pardon me for hijacking your thread.)

You have Moses (first witness? Who came with "the Law"), you have Elijah/John the Baptist (a second witness?) and then you have "A Voice" (a [third?] witness from "heaven").

As far as the pharisees, etc., were concerned, Jesus rejected the Law of Moses and so He died without mercy.


Matthew 17:9 As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, “Don’t tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead.”

Today I started to wonder why they weren't allowed to tell the vision to any man until Jesus was raised from the dead?  But that's beside the point.



Matthew 17:10 The disciples asked him, “Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?”

11 Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things.

12 But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished.  In the same way  the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.”

13 Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.

darren:
We know punctuation was not used when the writers of the O.T  and the N.T. wrote the books of the Bible. Jesus told the thief: I tell you this day you will be with me in paradise. This Scripture could be  understood two different ways. We can take this scripture as written. At the moment of the death of this  man, he will b in paradise  with Jesus. Or It could b read like this: I tell you this today,,(coma) you will b with me in paradise. Since we know no one is in paradise after death except Jesus and His paradise is at the right hand of His Father. Everybody else that has died past, present. or future will have to wait until judgement, Since God's Word (Jesus) The Word. Does not lie. nor contradicts, then this Scripture must be read and understood with a coma after the word today. As written and spoken by Jesus: I tell you this today,  you will b with Me in paradise.                   

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