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lilitalienboi16:
So I know we are called out of babylon.

I know there are many of us.

I know God chooses and I also know that He fills us with His spirit as an earnest downpayment, a promise of the future ransom to come.

I know that only those who endure to the end are overcomers and that we can't know if we've overcome until the ressurection or I suppose in paul's case, the very last moments of our lives.

My question is, does having God's spirit in us, which I assume a great majority of us here and I'm confident to say I believe I have, equate to being chosen? If that is the case, does being chosen not necessarily mean you are an overcomer then?

Or is it that many are called and given God's spirit, but only a few from them are selected and being selected or chosen means you will overcome in the end?

Hope I'm not confusing anyone with this. I know it sounds slightly convoluted so please forgive me.

Thanks for any answers.

God bless,

Alex

John from Kentucky:

--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on April 22, 2013, 08:43:36 PM ---So I know we are called out of babylon.

I know there are many of us.

I know God chooses and I also know that He fills us with His spirit as an earnest downpayment, a promise of the future ransom to come.

I know that only those who endure to the end are overcomers and that we can't know if we've overcome until the ressurection or I suppose in paul's case, the very last moments of our lives.

My question is, does having God's spirit in us, which I assume a great majority of us here and I'm confident to say I believe I have, equate to being chosen? If that is the case, does being chosen not necessarily mean you are an overcomer then?

Or is it that many are called and given God's spirit, but only a few from them are selected and being selected or chosen means you will overcome in the end?

Hope I'm not confusing anyone with this. I know it sounds slightly convoluted so please forgive me.

Thanks for any answers.

God bless,

Alex

--- End quote ---


Hi Alex,

I'll take a stab at a portion of your post.

In your 2nd sentence above you state, "I know there are many of us."  Did you mean to say, not many?

In Romans 11:4, Paul quoted from the OT, "I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men (and women) who have not bowed the knee to Baal."

Out of the billions that have been and will be, only a small few, "a remnant" (Romans 11:5) have been called and chosen.

Only my opinion, but I believe the few feel the anointing of the Spirit within themselves.  Jesus rules in the Temple of their heart.  It is like a Fire within, burning out all that is not of value.

John

lilitalienboi16:

--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on April 22, 2013, 10:12:21 PM ---
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on April 22, 2013, 08:43:36 PM ---So I know we are called out of babylon.

I know there are many of us.

I know God chooses and I also know that He fills us with His spirit as an earnest downpayment, a promise of the future ransom to come.

I know that only those who endure to the end are overcomers and that we can't know if we've overcome until the ressurection or I suppose in paul's case, the very last moments of our lives.

My question is, does having God's spirit in us, which I assume a great majority of us here and I'm confident to say I believe I have, equate to being chosen? If that is the case, does being chosen not necessarily mean you are an overcomer then?

Or is it that many are called and given God's spirit, but only a few from them are selected and being selected or chosen means you will overcome in the end?

Hope I'm not confusing anyone with this. I know it sounds slightly convoluted so please forgive me.

Thanks for any answers.

God bless,

Alex

--- End quote ---


Hi Alex,

I'll take a stab at a portion of your post.

In your 2nd sentence above you state, "I know there are many of us."  Did you mean to say, not many?

In Romans 11:4, Paul quoted from the OT, "I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men (and women) who have not bowed the knee to Baal."

Out of the billions that have been and will be, only a small few, "a remnant" (Romans 11:5) have been called and chosen.

Only my opinion, but I believe the few feel the anointing of the Spirit within themselves.  Jesus rules in the Temple of their heart.  It is like a Fire within, burning out all that is not of value.

John

--- End quote ---

Hi John,

Thanks for taking a stab at this ol beast here!

Let me clarify some more;

I did not miss type. When I say, I know there are many of us, I mean the MANY CALLED. Hence, many of us. (Remember this is merely a statement based on a premise i'm assuming for the sake of the question, it does not mean I necessarily mean we are merely 'called' and not 'chosen.' It does however serve to demonstrate my confusion. Hence why I offered two options.

My confusion lies in whether the MANY CALLED are US (those who are CALLED out of babylon) here at bibletruths and perhaps some others around the world as well [as opposed to the CHURCH, or the 'EARTH' - and not the 'SEA' of humanity) or are the MANY CALLED, in fact, all the 2-3billion christians around the world?

If the answer is that the MANY CALLED are the ones IN BABYLON and that we are "chosen" as we are CALLED OUT of babylon, does that mean that the CHOSEN and the ELECT OF GOD [The overcomers] are not necessarily one in the same? As in, all overcomers are chosen but not all chosen are overcomers?

If the answer is that WE [those called OUT of babylon] are the MANY CALLED, than are the FEW CHOSEN - ONLY those who overcome? Thus preventing us from knowing if we are chosen or not since only those who endure to the end are overcomers.

Did that make any sense? Like I said.. this may come off as convoluted.. its not my intent I apologize.

I believe however, in asking my question here that I Have in fact, reminded myself of what I had forgotten.

We are called to Christ and this happens in captivity, in babylon, we are called out of Babylon and if we come out of her we become chosen by God and if we endure to the end, we are overcomers aka the elect of God. We cannot know if we overcome to the end until after the resurrection. The many called [those still in captivity of babylon] don't have the spirit of God and only those that "come out of her my people" (the chosen) are imparted Gods spirit. Of course, this is all dependent upon God as we cannot do this of our own strength or will.

Am I right in believing that? I think thats what I understood but had confused myself over time, now i'm unconfusing myself.. lol. xD

Dave in Tenn:
Yes, I think you are unconfusing yourself.   ;D

santgem:
IF God Spirit is with us and sin no longer have dominion over us until our last race, then i would say that we are called and chosen! :) ;)

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