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Rhys 🕊:
Well I’m confused but then that’s not surprising for me. How are we called out of Babylon. I thought you were chosen or not. Isn’t if you are in Babylon you are the called. Like Ray says here:

http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2049.msg16705.html#msg16705

There are the called and the few chosen.  The few chosen come out of the called masses of the congregation.

I’m thinking there is only 2 groups the called and the chosen, so if you are come out of the church where you were once called are you now chosen but then we don’t know if we are chosen so which group are we in or is there like a third group of the unsure because that’s how I feel. So I guess I’m an unsure but that’s not biblical you are either the called or the chosen so is God playing some cruel game when you feel stuck in the middle and are unsure what you are.

If you are chosen which you don’t know then you must overcome, you simply have no choice. I’m confused as have read some on here say I have such and such problems with certain sins therefore I know I’m not one of God’s elect, well how do you know whether you will or not overcome those things in this life. If God says you will then you will, no matter how you feel at the moment, why do some second guess God on these matters I just don’t understand that. If it’s God’s will then it will be.

It sounds like there is the many called and then the called out of the church and then the chosen, surely that is not right. Two groups not three, how come I feel I am in the third group then?

I found this section from Ray helpful:

http://bible-truths.com/lake8.html

THE "CALLED" AND THE "NOT CALLED"

ARE YOU "CALLED AND CHOSEN" OR JUST "CALLED?"


Maybe a lot of my confusion still comes from my time in church with the called thinking they are the chosen and then those who believe  they are the real chosen ones amongst the chosen ones. They just come across as arrogant and full of themselves. There the ones who walk a bit taller than everyone else – no offence to tall people.

What are you if you are called out of Babylon but don’t overcome, then are you not still in Babylon?

What does you line mean Alex "As in, all overcomers are chosen but not all chosen are overcomers?" If you are chosen by God then you must be an overcomer to be one of His chosen ones?

Isn’t it all the matters is that many are called but few are chosen, however ALL will be saved which after all is the good news.

Sorry I’m just getting confused with the use of the words called out, the called and the chosen. It’s making my head spin.

No offence intended Alex. I'm just trying to figure out where I stand in amongst all this stuff. At this stage it don't look so good for me being in the unsure category but thy will be done. I will be in the right place one day, just not sure which day.


Rhys

thewatchman:
Jos 7:13  Up, sanctify the people, and say, Sanctify yourselves against to morrow: for thus saith the LORD God of Israel, There is an accursed thing in the midst of thee, O Israel: thou canst not stand before thine enemies, until ye take away the accursed thing from among you.

2Co 6:17  Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

God always separates his own. But all the glory is his. History is full of people and whacko's who thought they were special. From this comes denominations and false religions. Our safety if we are the chosen is to remain humble because only God can raise us up. I left my church because I could no longer bear witness with their teachings. If perchance I am destined for greatness then it is all God. I have no glory except what he has birthed in me. But we are being refined and taken from glory to glory. It makes only sense that the road be narrower as we go forward and populated by less people.

Kat:

Hi Alex,

Here is the Parable of the Wheat and the Tares

Mat 13:24  Another parable He put forth to them, saying: "The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field;
v. 25  but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way.
v. 26  But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared.
v. 27  So the servants of the owner came and said to him, "Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?'
v. 28  He said to them, "An enemy has done this.' The servants said to him, "Do you want us then to go and gather them up?'
v. 29  But he said, "No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them.
v. 30  Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.""'

If you noticed in verse 24 Jesus said, "the kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field." Okay the other Parable of the Sower and the explanation of it and do notice that these (seeds) are those that had "the word of the kingdom"... "sown in his heart," receives it with joy," "hears the word." These do not sound like Babylon to me, as they had heard and initially received the truth.

Mat 13:18  "Therefore hear the parable of the sower:
v. 19  When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside.
v. 20  But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy;
v. 21  yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles.
v. 22  Now he who received seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful.

Now in the next verse you will see what those elected to be in His kingdom are like.

v. 23  But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty."

mercy, peace and love
Kat

Dave in Tenn:
Isn't there also the 'not called'?

The world at large, the church out of the world, and His church out of the church? 

lilitalienboi16:
Hi Rys,

Sorry I confused you, I was confusing myself but all is well now!

I think perhaps you might be confused on what it means to "overcome?" Maybe..

What does overcoming, mean to you? Is it overcoming babylon or something more?

Also, as Dave said, There is the world at large, the sea of humanity which is not yet called to Christ. The earth which is a bit higher than the sea and then the heavens which are even higher than the earth.

At school right now so I must be brief! Apologies!

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