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The next life, or the next life?
Dave in Tenn:
Kat I would disagree with one statement, if only in the blanket sense. If I'm misunderstanding, please forgive me.
"There are people who have lived years of crime and debauchery and are intent on wickedness. Those people are the ones that I see as being the most tormented when raised up, because they will not be allowed to continued in their evil ways."
I'm one of those people who spent years of crime and debauchery and intent on wickedness. I have been aching (especially since conversion) to "not be allowed to continue in my evil ways". Thankfully, I am being judged now, but that doesn't mean conversion for them will be harder or more painful than either for me or for Paul, the chief of us. I am only speaking for myself, but also from the 'biographies' of others I've known and heard about who would have given ANYTHING not to have been "criminals, debauchers, and intent on wickedness" but were either deluded, or powerless to stop, or came to prefer the sin over the repentance, or just simply gave up and gave in.
The whole of creation is groaning for the appearance of the manifest sons and daughters of God. He's subjected all to vanity, and not willingly. I see the most 'tormented' being those who say "Lord, did we not perform many wonderful works in Thy name?" and hearing "Depart from me, ye workers of iniquity. I never knew you". If anything, those are set to receive the most 'stripes'.
Jesus came to save sinners. The last to be 'saved' are those who are last to acknowledge their sins. If we see the beast rising out of the sea now, I am sure the same process will be in effect during judgment.
Kat:
Hi Dave,
Yes I see your point and can't argue with that notion.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
GaryK:
Dennis:
--- Quote ---Why even concern ourselves with these issues?
--- End quote ---
That's a mental spike strip Dennis.
If we adopt that attitude there would be no need to study scripture at all.
I like to inspect what I expect.
I suppose I could get into one of those crossed-legged yoga postions, burn a little incense, stretch my palms upward and wait for one of those brainiac synapses moments. So far the genie keeps directing me back to BT for some answers. ;)
You're all correct and watching the words being put together like you're all doing makes things mesh a bit more, even as much as I'd hate to admit that Dennis is right, "Trust God to do the right thing."
Isaiah 65
17 For behold, I create [a]new heavens and a new earth.
And the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.
Maybe it's insignificant after all, perhaps just a question of time.
Deborah-Leigh:
All right is wrong and all wrong is right! lol...let every man...human...be a liar ~ :) The fruit is one of both good and evil.
All have erred far astray from sound teaching..."The Beast is you"..the sea is the collective community that reveals the beam in the "I".
If your brother and sister can sin, then it is you who see the sin in all flesh, out of which the Beast arises.
No flesh or blood inherit the Kingdom.
Identity with flesh and blood shall incinerate, self identity/preservation and humanity at large. That's good news!
There is no escape for flesh and blood. Mortality MUST put on Immortality. God overrides ignorance and by-passes limitations.
Immortality is not a person. Neither is God, as Ray has so truthfully attested.
Father, into your hands I commend my Spirit, not my soul, my story or my flesh and blood, but MY SPIRIT. Spirit is that which no flesh and blood can touch or approach. That Spirit is you and I....disguised in the rags of flesh and blood.
I too enjoy the niceties of comfortable living, yet....still...to be experienced is that all that is needed is much less than what the five senses find vital. That finding out, is the Lake of Fire that purges the flesh and circumcises the heart.
Arc
Rhys 🕊:
Some passages from Ray in blue
What we have learned in this life will be carried over to the next. If not, what would even be the purpose for living a human life in the first place? It is the preparation and regeneration and conversion and being begotten anew from above through the Holy Spirit of God that is the prerequisite to entering the Kingdom of God. "Study to show yourself approved ['qualified'] unto God...." (II Time. 2:15).
When a person dies they are not conscious, and their body decays, and their spirit returns to God, but there is no consciousness IN THE SPIRIT. It is the spirit that gives LIFE TO THE BODY, and so without a living body, there is no consciousness. Jesus will save them by bringing them back to life through RESURRECTION. The righteous believers will be resurrected with glorified spiritual bodies, and the wicked unbelievers with physical bodies to face Judgment. It is in Judgment that the wicked will be ultimately saved.
1Co 15:54 But when this corruptible shall put on incorruption, and when this mortal shall put on immortality, then will take place the word that is written, "Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Co 15:55 O death, where is your sting? O grave, where is your victory?"
It’s good to know that God is going to put everything right however long it takes in the next life. I’m sure most of us will all be at different places. I think in my life at the moment God is putting his finger on areas and I need to deal with them and it all seems to much.
1Pe 4:12 Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you.
1Pe 5:10 Howbeit, the God of all favour—who hath called you unto his age-abiding glory in Christ—when, for a little, ye have suffered, Himself, will adjust, confirm, strengthen:—
1Pe 5:11 Unto him, be the dominion, unto the ages. Amen!
I guess the wicked in judgement will go through something similar as to what many of us go through now. God’s turning up the heat as it were. If what we learn in this life will be carried over to the next won’t it be different for all depending on this life. Like the same glove won't fit all. For us who do know God we should just keep studying His word, keeping our eyes fixed on Him and do like this verse:
Rom 12:12 Rejoice in hope, be patient in tribulation, be constant in prayer.
I like the fact that once it’s all done death is swallowed up in victory. Something wonderful in those words not just Oh well death is over now or finished no it’s been swallowed up in victory. That’s like the biggest knock out punch ever!
I have to say I'm more concerned about this life at the moment than the next. I see a list of sins before me starring back at me, O wretched man that I am and what's the point of all these possessions if I only see death before me smiling and saying have a nice day and me saying back - you too! Well God's turning up the heat so lets have a barbecue and sort it all out. ;D
Rhys ;)
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