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Unequally yolked
hillsbororiver:
Hi Michele,
Hopefully I can help with a couple things,
Unbelievers; those who do not know or know of Jesus Christ our Saviour,
G571
ἄπιστος
apistos
ap'-is-tos
From G1 (as a negative particle) and G4103; (actively) disbelieving, that is, without Christian faith (specifically a heathen); (passively) untrustworthy (person), or incredible (thing): - that believeth not, faithless, incredible thing, infidel, unbeliever (-ing).
The Called; those who have a knowledge of Jesus Christ but have lost and left their first love;
Rev 2:4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
The Elect; those who have been chosen by God to be a part of His Son's work in bringing the unbelievers and the called to Him in the age(s) to come. Those who have the Spirit of Christ within, a member of His Body who He will keep from deception, guide and inspire to the culmination of Sonship.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
As far as bringing others to Christ, He is the One who does the calling and choosing;
Joh 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Gal 5:26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
Eph 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
Eph 5:10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
Michele, if we live our lives displaying the fruit of the spirit (brotherly love, charity) in all situations we will be given the opportunity to bear witness of Him.
1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
His peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
Michele:
Thank you for the partial reply, I think I understand that part now. But I still need help. If anyone knows the answers to this please let me know.
I think a clear difinitive answer to the question for those who are IN relationships/marriage and for those who are thinking about gettting into a relationship with a non-believer. The Bible says "be not unequally yoked", Ray says stay away from them also. Right? But I think people should know THe Right way to think about this situation! There are a great many Believers or trying to-be-believers (those of us who Want to know or who are being called or whyever we are here seeking the Truth) the Truth/God/Jesus/etc... and those who are non-believers.........and the Bible says to not be yoked with non-believers and we need to know WHY did God say that? There are two possible answers:
1.Because He knew how hard it would be on the believer to be with someone who doesn't share their faith...since you've been Called or are being called and they have Not, yet, then they are unable to see/feel what you do and it does cause strife in a marriage...likened to an oxen and a mule pulling together, unevenly, causing troubles.
OR
2..Most people who have been raised in a "typical christian church/upbrining" will be taught that if you do marry a unbeliever YOU have broken one of Gods Laws and are being Punished here on earth because you married an unbeliever and will be punished even more later!
Those two scenarios are two Totally different ways of thinking about this subject which is all important to those of us who are in this situation! So let's get the correct answer on this for those who are in this stressful situation and need the good answer to their questions. I used to think the bad answer, because that's what I was incorrectly taught, but now I believe it's because God loves us and doesn't want us to have strife with our non-believing spouse. The Bible passage that states that if you are married to a non-believer that you are to stay with them if they want to stay with you and that your relationship is sanctified because one of you is a believer and for those that worry about the children of the unequally yoked marriage the Bible says that God is Not Willing for any of them to be Lost.
WHAT does LOST mean anyway?
I'm having to revamp everything I knew before. Traditional Christians think that Lost means burining in "hell" for eternity. What does it truly mean?
Same answer for the unequally yoked friendships? Many of the people I love are unbelievers.
What if you marry into a whole family of unbelievers? What if your spouses whole family are unbelievers, and the other half of your family are "traditional christians" and they all think your Nuts? Wow! What's the answer to how to live happily in that situation?!
There are a great many out there who are living in sickening terror over what tortures God has in store for their unbelieving loved ones and spouses and they deserve to know what the TRUTH IS! Just Google it and you'll find many pages of poor spouses waiting out their lives in terror because they are afraid their spouses are going to burn in hell for all eternity. I can't tell you how many tortured hours I spent worrying about it myself...and I'm still trying to rid myself of it all, all the negative emotions that came with what I am learning to believe were the untruths I was incorrectly taught as a youngster. People write in asking questions about what to do and Ray answers them correctly I believe, but there needs to be more explanation and detail, that's what this area is good for.
And the Bible states that if you are already in an Unequally yoked marriage that you are to stay if the unbelieving spouse wants to stay with you and that your relationship is sanctified because one of you is a believer and for those that worry about their children the Bible says that God is Not Willing for any of them to be Lost.
WHAT does LOST mean anyway?
I'm having to revamp everything I knew before. Traditional Christians think that Lost means burining in "hell" for eternity. What does it truly mean?
Jesus spent a most of his time with non-believers and sinners just trying to love them, .. aren't we supposed to follow his example? I am a bit confused about that.
I was reading up some stuff here and there were two members who were talking about visiting an athiest website i believe, and one said to another to "get out of there it's dangerous"....WHAT does that mean? Why is that dangerous? If God has already spoken to your heart and now you know him, aren't you SAFE from any type of spiritual dangers? "Regular christians' are always going around talking about how you are supposed to be out there gathering souls for God, and then also saying that Satan is out there waiting to "harvest" all the lost souls!!!! What on earth? What I"m getting at is if God has called you, what spiritual dangers are there for you? Is Satan out there trying to trip you up? If God's in leading us then will he allow our own actions to mess us up spiritually?
ANd furthermore, what are the DANGERS that can happen anyway. IF it is never to late for anyone on this planet...since Jesus died for ALL and we ar e all going to be in Heaven with God REGUARDLESS and God is not going to torture us in a fabled "hell" for eternity...........WHAT exactly are the terrible things that everyone talks baout trying to avoid????....the Dangers that believers worry about for thier non-beliving loved ones facing? Huh?? And why should we worry anyway? God's gonna handle it for the non-belivers, RIght? IT isn't up to US to save anybody?
I'm still trying to piece the puzzle together.
Please help me with these questions. I seem to be misunderstanding or picking up some contradicting information....or perhaps i just don't understand it all yet.
All help is appreciated.
Thanks!
Michele
hillsbororiver:
Hello Michele,
Forget the man made doctrines and stick with His Word, reading the articles on Bible Truths will help you to sort out the doctrines of men and clarify what scripture is really saying. It is a day by day process.
Don't try debating or arguing your beliefs, just treat your family, friends and even strangers in a brotherly, charitable way as you continue studying, when someone asks you a question, give them an honest answer, relax, take up His yoke.
Being lost is having your salvation after the White Throne Judgement rather than before it, Ray covers this in many of his articles, this is a good place to start;
The 2 Judgements By Fire
http://bible-truths.com/lake6.html
His Peace and Wisdom to you Sister,
Joe
Kat:
Hi Michele,
This is my opinion on this subject.
2Co 6:13 Do us a favor-I ask you as my children-and open wide your hearts.
v.14 Stop becoming unevenly yoked with unbelievers. What partnership can righteousness have with lawlessness? What fellowship can light have with darkness? (ISV)
Paul is talking to these believers as a father talking to his children.
What he is trying to say, I believe, is that a person who is a believer, is following a certain path.
They are seeking Christ and living there life that way.
Unbelievers are on a different path, they do not know Christ and are not seeking Him.
This is a small excerpt from Ray's LoF series no. 4, there is much more about this at the bottom of that article.
http://bible-truths.com/lake4.html -------------------------------------
The spring harvest (this is those in the first resurrection) is the harvest of those firstfruits who have entered into the strait and narrow gate. The fall harvest (this is all of humanity, that were not in the first resurrection, that come up at the great white throne judgment) is the harvest of all those who went the wide and broad way into destruction. Destruction is not the final destiny of the nonbeliever. Being DESTROYED, PERISHED, and LOST are all conditions awaiting SALVATION, and are not conditions to be eternally punished! All, absolutely ALL, who are not in the first resurrection are in a condition likened to: "lost," "perished," or "destroyed." Contrary to orthodoxy these conditions are NOT hopeless:
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If we are yolked (joined) with unbelievers, whether in marriage, friendship, or business,
anything that would join us to someone.
In that unequally yolked relationship, we would be going in different directions, to some degree,
and this would cause problems.
When you are in a close relationship with someone, who does not agree with you on the basic ideas of belief,
there are going to be many things that come up that you will disagree on, and that is not a good situation to be in.
If you are yolked to this person, partially in marriage, it is not easy to leave that relationship,
if things become worse.
Now I realize that everybodies situation is different, and there is no easy answer to this.
Everybodies situation would have to be considered separately and what value there is to it.
What I would say to you, is seek the truth, which you are doing here, and let God guide you in what He wants for you in your life.
Study and pray, and do the best you can, that's all you can do.
Pro 20:24 Man's steps are of Jehovah; how can a man then understand his own way?
1Co 12:6 And there are differences of workings, but it is the same God working all things in all.
Eph 1:11 in whom also we were made a heritage, having been foreordained according to the purpose of Him who worketh all things after the counsel of His will;
As for all your concerns, you are being overwhemed with it all.
Let God lead you into His truth as He chooses to reveal things, you are in the right place here :)
Phi 4:6 Never worry about anything, but in every situation let your petitions be made known to God in prayers and requests, with thanksgiving.
I hope this will help you some, I am in an unequally yolked marriage.
We were both raised in church, as an adult I continued in church, my husband never did.
I was never able to discuss religion with him, which was a big part of my life.
There have been many problems, but I have learned many valuable lessons.
You have to come to the place where you know God is in control, and all things are by Him.
Rom 8:28 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
Nancy:
Hi there all,
I may be wrong but aren't our lives directed by God? St. Paul tells us to do lots of things but if God has an intention for our life, aren't we going to walk in it? Can we do anything that God hasn't already purposed for our life? I thought that there is no such thing as free will. Ray has a brilliant article on this subject.
To know that God has purposed our lifes for a reason must be a comfort to all.
God bless
Nancy
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