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indianabob

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Re: King David
« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2013, 06:47:12 PM »

Hi Gerry,
Thanks much Kat.

I would like to try to respond from a different position. Why did/does God operate the way He does?

Scripture shows us a lot about how God operates and reasons are often given, but many seem to be hidden and difficult to understand. The apostle Paul taught that mysteries or "spiritual secrets" were being revealed in this end time through him, Paul, mysteries that God had kept secret since the beginning of creation until Lord Jesus revealed them to Paul.
There is much to explore on that topic.

But for this one point it seems obvious to say that God does things in order. God has a plan that includes some of the created order in the planning stage. Of course we understand that God does not prefer one person above another in love for people, but that does not mean that everyone has the same assignment.

God chose women to bear new life and deliver that life into the world.
God chose Joseph to be the functioning human parent of Lord Jesus without asking first.
God chose Mary, espoused to Joseph, to conceive a child by God's spirit without asking her permission.
God chose Judas Iscariot to betray Jesus to the priests without asking Judas' permission.

God has and is choosing thousands and thousands to become His elect without asking permission or even cooperation from those called, chosen and elect. We are in effect drafted (dragged) into God's service! To become teachers and leaders.

Does God love any of them/us more than another? No God does not. However, God has a job, a task for each to perform.
Someone had to live without sin and bear the sins of the world. God provided that man, the ONLY begotten son.
Someone had to be first so others could come into the knowledge of God's plan later. For there to be students, there first had to be teachers prepared to teach.

Adam and Eve had to have many children so that the redeemer could be begotten/born out of that blood line 4 thousand years later.

What it all boils down to is something like the following:
God could I suppose have created a billion neuter/sexless persons all at once on the earth and let them have a life experience and then grant them immortality at the end of their life.

Instead, God began with one couple and let them reproduce and live with children and teach those children etc etc.
So in that way, God permitted the first couple and all subsequent couples to participate in the creation process.

Each couple came to know and understand that they were creating NEW LIFE that was destined to immortality. And to carry on the process of creating new persons to serve God.

Of course they didn't understand much of God's plan at that time, but they learned through a process of growth, exploration and discovery to keep their lives interesting and stimulating.

Imagine any new couple, the first or even a modern couple, watching a baby grow in her womb and move and finally be delivered into the parents excited loving hands. Imagine nursing the child for several months with that being its only sustenance, directly from mother to child and watching it gain weight and begin to respond to its environment more and more each day. That in itself is a miracle.

Then God provided a beautiful garden full of food for us to live in. Later we discovered materials to build our own homes and utensils for daily living out of the materials of the earth itself. All planned and provided before mankind was put here.

This is just a brief example of what God is doing with each one of us, all in good time. Sharing HIS creating process with us and actually showing us in a practical way how He will share all the creation with us eventually as his own begotten children when we are changed to be like our master, the Lord Jesus.

Meanwhile we live and have our being IN HIM and enjoy living in this EDEN called earth which is being sustained moment to moment by God's sovereign power and authority.

There is so much more to explore on this subject and I'm sure Ray Smith kept these things in his heart as he explored and recorded all that God gave him to understand. Kat has access to it all and is able to share with us. So please keep asking and searching the scripture for evidence and pleading for God's gift of understanding.

Indiana Bob (correction invited)
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gerard_dsouza

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Re: King David
« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2013, 07:08:34 PM »

Thanks Kat. Good verses and thoughts. Very appropriate.

Thanks Indianabob, Overall I can say God is good and just and kind and merciful and be knows what he is doing.
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Re: King David
« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2013, 07:37:55 PM »

Hello all,

Just another thought on why David of the OT will not be in the first resurrection, continuing from my first post on this subject.
And thanks all of you for contributing to this.
David means Beloved. Now the scriptures I referenced at the start of this thread makes way more sense recognizing that Jesus is the King referred to in the scriptures I mentioned before He is the King Beloved - , i.e.:

Eze_34:24  And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it.
Eze_37:24  And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
Eze_37:25  And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

Hos_3:5  Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.

Again thanks all for thinking on these things.
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3 John 4 - I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth.

gerard_dsouza

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Re: King David
« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2013, 10:05:10 PM »

That is an amazing deduction Microlink.

Kat - the spurious scripture study is really getting me excited. The list of verses that should not be there is really interesting. Thanks so much for sharing this.
« Last Edit: July 23, 2013, 10:25:49 PM by Gerry from Toronto »
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The Professor

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Re: King David
« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2013, 06:26:18 PM »

This thread is long and I didn't read it all...so this has probably already been answered (probably by a link to Ray).

...But I'll add my input.

Jesus was the God of the OT. Moses came with the Law written on stone. Jesus Christ came with the Law of Spirit....

It was possible for a human to follow the Law of Moses (as did Paul who followed it PERFECTLY, and who was also the worst sinner of all)...it is IMPOSSIBLE for a human to follow the Law of Spirit...

For example in accordance with the Ten Commandments, King David loved his neighbour...but under the SAME Law he HATED his enemies.

What did Jesus say concerning our "enemies" ?

"But I say unto you, LOVE your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you..." (Matt 5:44)

Another example.

"Thou shalt not commit adultery." (Exo 20:14)

and

"Thou shalt not covet...any thing that is thy neighbour's." (Exo 20:17)

Say, a friend of a man had a beautiful wife. Under the SAME law, said man could think of committing adultery with his friend's wife all day...as long as he PHYSICALLY didn't do the act he was good to go.

Then came the Law of Spirit.

"But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her ALREADY in his heart." (Matt 5:28).

The bar was raised, If one is to be in the first resurrection he must be Spiritually converted and as I'm sure most of you know this is not something we can do ourselves.

None of the OT patriarchs knew the Father either.

"No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath DECLARED him." (John 1:18).
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Re: King David
« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2013, 01:41:03 AM »

nice post response ovi.  interesting truths.  and, welcome to the forum.

claudia
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The Professor

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Re: King David
« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2013, 01:25:48 PM »

Thanks Claudia.

To be honest, I have been in this forum before under different names in the past (I've now decided to use my real name).

In fact, I changed my name recently and as I'm sure you're aware if you don't log in for a month you have to register again.

Here's to me learning and hopefully contributing to the forum more regularly :D.
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