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EVERYONE CONSCIENCE. (?)
acomplishedartis:
I have been studying regarding the human conscience, and what the Scriptures have to say about it.
It seems to me that what Romans 1 is saying, is that there is (in EVERY human) an innate knowledge or a deterministic tendency towards recognizing that there is a powerful divine Creator, trough our inmost consciousness.
Rom 1:19 ''because what may be known about Him is plain to their inmost consciousness; for He Himself has made it plain to them. ''
Rom 2:15 ''since they exhibit proof that a knowledge of the conduct which the Law requires is engraven on their hearts, while their consciences also bear witness to the Law, and their thoughts, as if in mutual discussion, accuse them or perhaps maintain their innocence-- ''
(WNT)
Therefore,
Rom 2:6 ''TO EACH MAN HE WILL MAKE AN AWARD CORRESPONDING TO HIS ACTIONS''
Rev.20:13 ''...And they were condemned, each in accord with their acts.''
Where I am going, is that there is people who doesn't have the capacity for good reasoning (for example, dump people, feral children's, or mental ill people) So , how could it be said that they have an ''innate knowledge or a deterministic tendency towards recognizing that there is a powerful divine Creator''?
I am not talking about people that lost their capacity to feel guilty and have their conscience seared. I am talking about the ones, that seems that they never had the capacity to listen to their conscience.
I know there have to be a way to get out of this dilemma...
what do you guys think on this...
longhorn:
You had me at Dump People.
Rhys 🕊:
Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me, because the LORD has anointed me to bring good news to the poor; he has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to those who are bound;
Isa 61:2 to proclaim the year of the LORD's favor, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all who mourn;
Isa 61:3 to grant to those who mourn in Zion— to give them a beautiful headdress instead of ashes, the oil of gladness instead of mourning, the garment of praise instead of a faint spirit; that they may be called oaks of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he may be glorified.
Is anyone too hard for God? Don't think so
Maybe in our understanding they seem to be lacking but not too God
I think we can all add ourselves to the list of being lacking in some way. I'm none of the things you mentioned but have my issues and often things against God but it is He who breaks through in me and leads me to His truth. He will come to all people in His time and God will be all in all. They will understand what they need to know at the right time.
I don't have capacity for good reasoning either when it comes to God but then I didn't choose Him it is He who chooses me.
We all have our issues lets not single out any group of individuals and let us not limit God on what He is doing. One day we will see and understand, until then let us trust in Him.
A passage from Ray that helps me:
http://bible-truths.com/WhyGodLovesYou.htm
Suppose we liken the human race to flowers, tulips, white tulips. Every single person on earth would look like a white tulip. How boring would that be? Suppose God said, "Okay, you don't all have to be white tulips, some of you can be red tulips, or yellow tulips, or blue tulips. That's better than all white, but we would still all be tulips. I hope you see my point.
God made millions of flowers, millions of shades, millions of sizes, millions of shapes, and millions of fragrances. Shape, size, color, and fragrance make flowers unique, and add interest and beauty to our world. And likewise, God made millions of people, and each has features that make each person unique. Once all of the selfish carnality is removed from man's heart, the human race will be the crowning pinnacle of God's creation. And each one of us will contribute something unique to the splendor of this achievement.
God's heart and mind is set on uniqueness, variety, and differences. Out of the three primary colors, God can make billions of different shades. Out of just seven notes, there is the possibility of billions of different and unique melodies. Think of the prospect if God were to increase the number of primary colors to ten, or a hundred, or a thousand? Think if God increased the number of notes from seven to hundreds or thousands? It's mind-boggling what God may have in store for His children.
Rhys
theophilus:
--- Quote from: Moises G. on July 13, 2013, 02:26:13 PM ---
I have been studying regarding the human conscience, and what the Scriptures have to say about it.
God gives faith to a few, and He doesn't give faith to many. Now, many of that many doesn't give thanks to God, or recognize Him as God, even so when God shows them His power and divinity through the things that He have made. The reason of it, is because they have no faith and God doesn't want this to happen YET.
Anyhow, God obscure their hearts, and gives them up to do things that are not convenient for them. But what must be noted here is that there is different levels in all of this, since some people have their heart harder than other ones, and some people acknowledge God in some parts of their life's and they don't in others.
It seems to me that what Romans 1 is saying, is that there is (in EVERY human) an innate knowledge or a deterministic tendency towards recognizing that there is a powerful divine Creator, trough our inmost consciousness.
Rom 1:19 ''because what may be known about Him is plain to their inmost consciousness; for He Himself has made it plain to them. ''
Rom 2:15 ''since they exhibit proof that a knowledge of the conduct which the Law requires is engraven on their hearts, while their consciences also bear witness to the Law, and their thoughts, as if in mutual discussion, accuse them or perhaps maintain their innocence-- ''
(WNT)
Therefore,
Rom 2:6 ''TO EACH MAN HE WILL MAKE AN AWARD CORRESPONDING TO HIS ACTIONS''
Rev.20:13 ''...And they were condemned, each in accord with their acts.''
Where I am going with all this, is that there are people who doesn't have the capacity for good reasoning (for example, dump people, feral children's, mental ill people, etc.) How can it be said that they have an ''iinnate knowledge or a deterministic tendency towards recognizing that there is a powerful divine Creator''?
I am not talking about people that lost their capacity to feel guilty and have their conscience seared. I am talking about the ones, that seems that they don't have the capacity to listen to their conscience.
I know there have to be a way to get out of this dilemma...
what do you guys think on this...
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Hello Moises, in your quote
"I am not talking about people that lost their capacity to feel guilty and have their conscience seared. I am talking about the ones, that seems that they don't have the capacity to listen to their conscience."
I would imagine that people who lost their capacity to feel guilty because their conscience is seared are people who "don't have the capacity to listen to their conscience". So what you're saying is that the people you ARE NOT talking about ARE the people you ARE talking about. I got confused here.
John 1:9 states that "The true light [JESUS CHRIST], which ENLIGHTENS EVERYONE, was coming into the world."
Jesus enlightens EVERYONE that comes into this world. For some people I think, this enlightenment stops at the point when the person ceases to "hear" his conscience for whatever reason. Examples of this might be serial killers. But even this event is OF God. For other people who are not serial killers but are not enlightened (are not able to see God in the creation around them), it could be that their hearts have hardened to the point that this witness of God ricochets off their hearts. I'm sure there's more variation than this.
Hasta luego Moises.
theophilus:
--- Quote from: longhorn on July 13, 2013, 05:24:40 PM ---You had me at Dump People.
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Longhorn, that was very funny!!! :)
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