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EVERYONE CONSCIENCE. (?)
Dave in Tenn:
Rom 1:16-19 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation to everyone believing, both to Jew first, and to Greek; for in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; even as it has been written, "But the just shall live by faith." (Hab. 2:4) For God's wrath is revealed from Heaven on all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, holding the truth in unrighteousness, because the thing known of God is clearly known within them, for God revealed it to them.
Who is the 'them' in vs 19? Those "holding the truth in unrighteousness". That's not the world at large, or any subset of it.
Again:
Rom 2:14 For when nations not having Law do by nature the things of the Law, they not having Law are a law to themselves,
Rom 2:15 who show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience witnessing with them, and the thoughts between one another accusing or even excusing,
Rom 2:16 in a day when God judges the hidden things of men, according to my gospel, through Jesus Christ.
Who's "conscience" is witnessing with them? Those of the nations not having Law.
As far as those individuals who are unable to make moral choices, as in a lot of things, the absence of a function helps to solidify the understanding of the function. An example would be something I am unable to do. I'm partially color-blind. No amount of 'education' can make me see certain colors. But the 'study' of color-blindness has helped in the understanding of "normal" color vision. Maybe there is a spiritual application to that regarding your question. Then again, maybe not. ;D
Rom 2:6 ''TO EACH MAN HE WILL MAKE AN AWARD CORRESPONDING TO HIS ACTIONS''
Rev.20:13 ''...And they were condemned, each in accord with their acts.''
Correctomundo.
And to add: 2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good (things) or bad (things). Parentheses mine.
acomplishedartis:
--- Quote from: theophilus on July 13, 2013, 08:23:51 PM ---Hello Moises, in your quote
"I am not talking about people that lost their capacity to feel guilty and have their conscience seared. I am talking about the ones, that seems that they don't have the capacity to listen to their conscience."
I would imagine that people who lost their capacity to feel guilty because their conscience is seared are people who "don't have the capacity to listen to their conscience". So what you're saying is that the people you ARE NOT talking about ARE the people you ARE talking about. I got confused here.
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Hi theophilus
When I said ''"I am not talking about people that lost their capacity to feel guilty and have their conscience seared'' this is one group of people who had the capacity to listen their conscious and they no longer, for example, like you said, this could be serial killers.
Then when I said '' I am talking about the ones, that seems that they don't have the capacity to listen to their conscience." Here I was talking about people that never had the capacity, for example, the feral children's.
Anyway, I want to apologize because I probably didn't explain my self clear enough in my first post. Only Dave in Tenn, got what I was asking about.
I could just have said: From Romans 1, How can God said that ''every one'' knows about His eternal power and divinity trough their inmost conscience, when there is people that never got the capacity for reasoning (conscience, knowledge, etc.)?
Well. I got my answer...
acomplishedartis:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on July 13, 2013, 10:22:49 PM ---Rom 1:16-19 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation to everyone believing, both to Jew first, and to Greek; for in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; even as it has been written, "But the just shall live by faith." (Hab. 2:4) For God's wrath is revealed from Heaven on all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, holding the truth in unrighteousness, because the thing known of God is clearly known within them, for God revealed it to them.
Who is the 'them' in vs 19? Those "holding the truth in unrighteousness". That's not the world at large, or any subset of it.
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There is the answer! The people receiving God's wrath; the ones "holding the truth in unrighteousness", they are the ones that know about Him in their inmost conscience. At first instance, it seems like it's talking about all humanity, especially because verse 20 talks about the foundation of the world, But I can see now that we always have to pay attention to ALL the words.
Thanks Dave, I agree with you on this one. And I have also found witness for it.
So, Who is ''holding the truth in unrighteousness and know in their inmost conscience about God's power and divinity? Would that be Israel and the rest of the Christian world? I believe so.
Dave in Tenn:
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,6310.msg50887.html#msg50887
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And a tiny snippet from the Nashville Conference '08
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men (Not all humanity, but those…), who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
That is not the Elect, okay. If you are holding the truths of God in unrighteousness, you are not one of God’s Elect.
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cjwood:
--- Quote from: longhorn on July 13, 2013, 05:24:40 PM ---
You had me at Dump People.
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longhorn you are one funny dude! i just laughed so hard after reading your post. gotta remember that our young brother moises' first language is espanol. but i gotta say, you cracked me up good.
claudia
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