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made of one blood all nations of men?
Kat:
John, I know this may just make it more convoluted, but I do consider much of Genesis a parable/allegory reflecting a higher spiritual truth. I realized this quickly in a study of Genesis.
Obviously many of these things are not literally real; the Tree of Life, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, Satan a real snake, etc. But these symbols are so tightly intertwined with what is literal that it can only be unraveled by the Spirit of God. This is all intended of course to keep the world blind, hiding the truth in plain sight as it so happens to be.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
zvezda:
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Adam is the Hebrew word for man, mankind, humankind.
Eve is the mother of all living. If Eve came along after the creation of other humans, wouldn't that make her the mother of some of the living?
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Very true. This could also tie in the term "one blood" to mean just what it says. The Genesis account definitely seems to point to pre-Adamic man, but there are Scriptures that make it difficult to have 100% certainty about this topic.
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As Kat pointed out, the Jews considered the Gentiles sub-human. That's why Paul used the term "one blood" to tell them that all nations of men (the Jews and the Gentiles) were human.
--- Quote ---Let me throw this in the stew pot.
Adam is the Hebrew word for man, mankind, humankind.
Eve is the mother of all living. If Eve came along after the creation of other humans, wouldn't that make her the mother of some of the living?
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Actually what is "all living"? Does that include animals and plants?
I remember Ray said Adam ate the fruit because he knew Eve ate it and she was gonna die, he wanted to die with her.
So does anyone find it ironic that Adam didn't called Eve mother of all living when God first brought her to Adam, he called her that when he knew they were dying, right after God announced the punishments to them.
I could imagine Adam told Eve something like this:
Hey woman, we are gonna die, from now on, your name is Eve because you are the mother of all living.
Nathan:
--- Quote ---As Kat pointed out, the Jews considered the Gentiles sub-human. That's why Paul used the term "one blood" to tell them that all nations of men (the Jews and the Gentiles) were human.
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Paul wasn't speaking to the Jews when he made the statement about "one blood" - he was talking to the pagan Greeks. He was addressing these pagan Greeks right in the middle of Mars' Hill. Read for yourself:
Acts 17:
18 Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection.
19 And they took him, and brought him unto Areopagus, saying, May we know what this new doctrine, whereof thou speakest, is?
20 For thou bringest certain strange things to our ears: we would know therefore what these things mean.
21 (For all the Athenians and strangers which were there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell, or to hear some new thing.)
22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.
23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, To The Unknown God. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
--- Quote ---So does anyone find it ironic that Adam didn't called Eve mother of all living when God first brought her to Adam, he called her that when he knew they were dying, right after God announced the punishments to them.
I could imagine Adam told Eve something like this:
Hey woman, we are gonna die, from now on, your name is Eve because you are the mother of all living.
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You may have a point here, but if Adam did say "Hey woman, we are gonna die, from now on your name is Eve because..." - wouldn't it make more sense if he finished that statement with..."you are the mother of all DEAD."
loretta:
tks Dave, you bet I'm sticking around, unless God has predestined otherwise! :) :)
Tks Kat, for those links. Its going to take awhile to get through them, but I will.
Oh Pierdut, you remind me so much of my teenage daughter (no offense pls, I don't mean the immaturity that is associated with teens or their giddiness - actually, she is so mature, much wiser than her years, she could pass of as a poster girl for Christendom! :) ) But even I, as her mother can see through her facade (remember, she's been brought up by the rules of the Book!) as every now and then, the evil in her breaks through, spewing venom. I would have despaired, nay, I do despair - which born again, bible believing, no tongues here (!) mother would want her daughter to grow up all messed up, while the rest of the world has it all neatly tied up. But as Dave rightly pointed out you cannot come to really love God until you have first hated Him. Been there...done that. The house we've built on the sand has to fall, and GREAT is the fall. Believe me, I'm dreading my daughter's fall (it's my ego, actually), but if it weren't for the knowledge of the sovereignty of God, the working all things together for good part, I would have been tearing out my hair. Yes I am relatively new to BT, so I am still struggling to grasp on to and really believe the sovereignty of God, but the more I accept it, the more it comforts.
Ray said, "But who created this tree? God created this tree, right. Was this a good tree? Completely good? This is a tree of good and evil. Why in the world would God create a tree of Evil? Why would He create a tree of Good and Evil all in the same tree? Now, I could see a Tree of Good, and a Tree of Evil: eat the Good, but don’t eat the Evil. No, He put them both in the same tree! What? Do you understand the wisdom of this? This is not some stupid folklore where the guy got screwed up, He didn’t know how to separate Good and Evil so put them in the same tree…this is the wisdom of God! You can’t separate Good from Evil. You cannot come to a knowledge of Good without Evil. You cannot know Up unless you know what Down is. You don’t know what Sweet is unless you know what Sour is, or you would never know what sweet is."
Be encouraged Pierdut, you have tasted of the tree of good and evil like we all have, and acknowledging it, is what makes all the difference. A world of a difference!
p.s. I'll be praying for you
onelovedread:
Dave wrote:
[url][Trust me, it's not that I have no compassion for you. You are experiencing what I went through years ago, and it lasted for decades. Ray said you cannot come to really love God until you have first hated Him. Been there...done that. The house we've built on the sand has to fall, and GREAT is the fall.
You had every intention, you say, of not bringing this up, but you did anyway. You don't have a free will, and I'll let you know now I didn't believe for a minute you could go without bringing it up.
You think you have the answers for the world's problems, and if all those pesky OTHER people will just do right, the world would be better. But you DON'T have them. And you CAN'T have them. Neither can I. We are beasts. GOD is God.
Yes, the ungodly have easier lives often...not all, but many. And we'll think that is unfair until we don't any more. You "tried to change" and do better, but you CAN'T. Neither can I by my own will. But you WILL change. Guaranteed.
You bemoan your life, and that's understandable. You will think THAT is unfair until you don't any more. You don't recognize the mercy God has already had on you. And you are in limbo or something. Salvation is a process. It has a beginning and an end. Most of us are somewhere in-between, hanging on by faith.
NOTHING is harder to get rid of than a deeply held set of beliefs. I know this is true. I grew up primarily in the American south, after all. Even when we WANT to, we can't until they are replaced with the mind of Christ. The "light" you think you have is darkness, but nobody will be able to convince you of that except the Spirit of God. It's not love, peace, joy. It's worry, indignation, and if not outright HATE, it's ignorance.
I'm not going to promise you an easy time of it, or predict how long it will take, but our Apostle Paul, before his conversion, had possibly a more deeply ingrained sense of "racial" separatism than you have, yet he is the one who declared us all of one blood. He counted all that baggage that came before (and then some) as dung. The Lord changed him, and He will change you too.
Stay or go. It's your choice and you will make the one He has predetermined. /url]
Dave,
that response resonates deeply with me. I think this is the heart of the matter. It has definitely spoken to me. Thanks my friend.
One Love
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