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SPIRIT AS THE SPIRIT OF HOLINESS OF GOD HIMSELF
acomplishedartis:
On the headline for getting into this forum it says ''Discuss what you have Learned at bible-truths.com''
Since long time ago I am visiting this forum and learning little by little how to don't break that rule. Right now I am trying.
So here is something I learned, and that I am discussing;
''Adam’s body had the spirit of God breathed into it and then Adam became a LIVING SOUL. God’s Holy Spirit is His Spirit of Holiness which imparts spiritual knowledge and spiritual character to those who possess it. The wicked and unbelievers have a spirit that keeps them alive, but they have no spiritual perception of spiritual truths because they do not possess the Holy Spirit of God living in us through Jesus Christ our Lord. ETc. Sorry, but it would take days to answer your question in detail.’’
For some this might not mean that God have more than one spirit and for others it does. I don't mind if others take this quote different as I do. I have my reasons and others should have their reasons.
But if somebody takes it different (and notice that we are not talking about hell or free will which by now it's a very clear for us) it's NOT fair to call him heretic, or that he is wrong and bringing false teaching to the forum. After all, we are just discussing what we have learn on the site and what brings us together here must be the spirit of kindness and unity and the belief on the salvation of all.
Neither do I believe that it's okay before God to offend a sister in the forum and when that person tell you that she felt offended, rather than say sorry; respond with sarcasm and lack of emphaty.
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Job 33:4 The Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.
Who's breath it was?
A study on the concept of spirit will show that this term is used in the Scriptures in more than one way (actually four) . This is why it's so confusing sometimes to talk about spirit. As Kat well pointed out, God gives us all spirit so that we can have life, this is one way (and here spirit has no conscience on it's own). Another way is when it talks about spirit as an attitude (like someone having a kind spirit). Another way is when it talks about conscious spirits (like angels and demons)- Not so long ago I remember that Kat made a great post to distinguish between the spiritual realm and physical realm. And another way when it talks about the holy spirit of God Himself, as in this case:
"...Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit, says the LORD Almighty." Zech. 4:6
Anyway. Some have their view on this subject which is different to others; And it's okay that everyone stands on their own and try to stand firm.
Let God be right and men wrong, after all He has the last word on whatever subject.
G. Driggs:
Hi Moises,
It IS tough to understand what is meant by "One Spirit". Does God HAVE One Spirit? Or IS He One spirit? And One Spirit with Who?
I think Ray really nails it in these short quotes.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4472.0.html
That’s what I want to start teaching, the simplicity. The simplicity that is in Christ Jesus. It all comes down to this one parable in the first chapter of Genesis. “Let Us be making man in Our image.” One image. All these images, all these sinners, all these stupid ideas and vanities out there. You got to bring it all into one spiritual image. Everything is ONE. All heading for one goal, one destiny, one body, one God, one family.
Partly what Jesus Christ was doing when He was revealing the Father, was letting them know who He was. Before Abraham, “I Am” that was Me. What? Yes that was Me. Not only was that Me, but here, Me, the Christ, the Savior, the Messiah in the flesh, this is the Father. Everything that I say is the Father. Everything that I do is the Father. Then they started to understand it and believe it.
That’s why Paul could say that there is one body, one spirit, one hope, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God, one Father, of all, because he understood it, and they understood it too, at the end. You can tell by their writing they were beginning to understand it.
One what? One God and it’s understood, We are one... one God. We two, are one. Whenever two are of the same mind and spirit, they are considered one.
Jesus Christ and His Father are One, they’re one Spirit. You have the Father and you have the Son, but they’re one.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3719.0.html
Now what did Christ say regarding His disciples? He said I call you friends. But what did the Father say? The same thing, because they are One. Whatever Christ says, the Father says the same things, because they have the same Spirit, because they are One. One Spirit, they say the same. Whatever Christ says, thinks, or does, that’s what the Father is... same thing. They do the same thing, because they are One, Father and Son are One.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5417.0.html
This is a part of my on going attempt to show you how everything is interrelated in the scriptures. Everything comes down to one main objective - one main purpose - one thing, remember I’ve said that so often, it’s all ONE. You study out any subject in the scripture and it all comes down to one thing…. it’s all ONE.
Jesus Christ was an individual and He did all these many many things and He has a Father and He has done all these wonderful things. Yet He says, “I and My Father are ONE.” (John 10:30) And I have said everything is ONE.
Eph 4:1 I therefore the prisoner in the Lord, beseech you to walk worthily of the vocation wherewith you were called,
v. 2 with all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
v. 3 Endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
You know what unity means - unity means it’s all together, that’s what unity is, all together in one. One purpose - one cause - one whatever, it’s unified.
These churches of the world are out to create a unity between them. I mean they would even try to create a unity between the Moslems and the Christians. Give me a break, what fellowship has light with darkness, or what fellowship has darkness with darkness, how about that. The unity already exist, we don’t create a new unity. “Keep the unity of the Spirit,” there already is that unity. We are encouraged to keep it, not create it, it’s already there.
Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as also ye were called in one hope of your calling;
v. 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
v. 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in you all.
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It's all about the unity and working in unison my dear bro's 8)
se7en:
Moises, I loved that last post that you put up. :)
John 6:63 NKJV It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
John 6:63 CLV The Spirit is that which is vivifying. The flesh is not benefiting anything. The declarations which I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.
John 6:63 ESV It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
God through Christ spoke everything into existence. His words are spirit and life. He spoke us all into existence. We all are a word from God and we all will not return to Him void. We all will accomplish exactly everything He spoke us to be. You are a spoken Word of the Almighty.
Beautiful.
Kat:
I have one more comment on this topic. Maybe most already realize this, but the connection registered more profoundly in my mind as I thought on this, so I wanted to share it here.
Gen 2:7 And the LORD (Yahweh/Jehovah) God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. (also verse that have "breath of life" Gen 1:39; 6:17; 7:15; 22)
Job 33:4 The Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life. (also Job 12:10)
We all clearly understand that the LORD God in the OT is the Son who became Jesus Christ and there in Genesis and Job it shows that it is the LORD God's breath/spirit that gives life. So it is the same spirit of who was to become Jesus Christ in the OT that gives everything physical life and Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit that gives us spiritual LIFE as well. Same person of Jesus Christ same spirit, used for different purposes.
This is from the 2007 Nashville Conference and the second is from the Trinity article where Ray explains who the Holy Spirit is.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4472.0.html -----------
Not that the Holy Spirit is nothing or of no consequence, it’s just not a person. Jesus Christ and God the Father ARE the Holy Spirit! Jesus Christ is that Spirit!
John 16:7 … I will send him (the Comforter) to you. v. 15 … He shall take of Mine, and shall show it unto you.
What is He going to take of Christ? His Spirit. Where did Christ get that Spirit? From God the Father. But He is going to take of Christ, because it’s going to be the personality of Christ, see.
Paul didn’t say, I’m crucified with God, nevertheless I live, yet not I, but the FATHER lives in me. No, it’s, “I have been crucified with CHRIST, nevertheless I live; yet not I, but CHRIST lives in me.” (Gal 2:20) But see it’s the personality of Christ, that is the spirit that lives in us and that spirit comes from God. So we can call it God’s Holy Spirit, even though it’s channeled through Christ. Jehovah /Elohim, God the Father(Elohim), you know.
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It is rather THROUGH the holy spirit that the Son is in the Father and the Father is in the Son, and we are in Christ and Christ is in us and the Father is in us!
Next let’s consider who or what is the "comforter" mentioned only in John’s gospel account.
"And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you [it is not "from" the holy spirit, but "from" the Father] another Comforter [this word does not require a capital letter], that he [it] may abide with you for ever [Greek: for the aion--eon or age]. Even the Spirit of truth..." (John 14:16-17 KJV).
Remember that Jesus said "I am the truth" (John 14:6). How then can this "comforter" be coming from both His Father and Himself? Is this possible? Once we understand just what this "spirit of truth," "spirit of God," "holy spirit," "holy ghost," "comforter" really is, we will see that it certainly DOES come from both the Father and His Son Jesus Christ.
It is evident when checking various translations that the translators did not have a clear idea as to just what they should call this "comforter." In the Greek, the word is [parakletos BESIDE-CALLER].
It can be "consoler" or "Entreater" in I John 2:1.
The Moffatt translation has "...to give you another Helper..."
The New Testament of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ has "...another Advocate..."
The Revised Standard Version has "...Counselor..."
The Monsignor Knox version has "...another to befriend you..."
The Phillips Translation has "...some one else to stand by you..."
And the Amplified New Testament has "...another Comforter (Counselor, Helper, Intercessor, Advocate, Strengthener and Standby)..."
It should be noted that not all translators capitalize this Greek word parakletos in their translations, nor do all translators use the pronoun "he" but rather "it."
From The Concordant Literal New Testament:
John 14:16-18, "And I shall be asking the Father, and He will be giving you another consoler, that it, indeed, may be with you for the eon--the spirit of truth, which the world can not get, for it is not beholding it, neither is knowing it. Yet you know it, for it is remaining with you and will be in you. I will not leave you bereaved; I am COMING TO YOU."
In this section of Scripture, Philip, Thomas, Peter, and Judas (and possibly all the Apostles) did not quite understand what Christ was teaching them. They especially didn’t understand how that Jesus was going away and that where He was going they could not come, but that it was necessary for Him to go away to His Father, or He could not send them the comforter or consoler.
Jesus was assuredly "the spirit of truth" of which He spoke. And as such Jesus was with the disciples. But now He is telling them that when He leaves them to be with the Father, He will come back to them, only this time He will not just be with them, but He will be IN them! The spirit of truth was with the apostles in the person of Jesus Christ, but He told them that after He left to be with the Father that this same spirit of truth would be in them. This is all done by "spirit," the spirit of God.
Notice verse 26 of John 14:
"Now the consoler, THE HOLY SPIRIT, which the Father will be sending in MY NAME..."
And see how this is done, verse 23:
"If anyone should be loving Me, he will be keeping My word, and My Father will be loving him, and WE shall be coming to him and making OUR abode with him.
This is done through the consoler, the comforter, the spirit of truth, THE HOLY SPIRIT of God! Jesus said He would not leave them "comfortless" (Ver. 18), so for sure Jesus must return to His followers to "comfort" them. This He did and still does by the "spirit of God" which God gave to His son Jesus and which the Father then turns around and gives FROM that very same spirit in Christ TO US! The following Scripture make this plain:
"All things that the Father hath are mine [all things include the holy spirit]: therefore said I, that He shall take of Mine [that is, of the spirit that His Father gave to Him], and shall shew it UNTO YOU" (John 16:15).
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
Joel:
Jesus did something that's recorded in John 20 that is easily over looked.
20:21-Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
20:22-And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
20:23-Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
Joel
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