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Ian 155:
yep i hear you Greg

I have pondered on these things a while now It does kinda leave one out in the cold if these judgements are due to "defects" within

the NT letters are full of advice or do's and dont's - we believe God is all in all and whatever path we take this is preordained that is unless there are 2 (or more) chosen possible outcomes.[do we take the Holy spirits advice and use it ] or does God enable us to be obedient...Rom 11:32  For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Id like to think I am chosen however the giant scripture that keeps reoccurring is "Why do you call me Lord Lord and do not the things I say" somehow this is a spanner in my understanding I struggle to listen and do what my wife asks nevermind what Jesus says for me to do - this scripture tells me I gotta do right,its up to me to do

We are all stubborn and stiff necked maybe time to loosen up a bit

the truth is,

Rom 11:33  O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out

Ian

dodrill:
All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. - John 1:4

I think about this often as Christ didn't come to save the righteous - but those in need of a savior - yes we all are sinners falling short of good judgement or better decision making? How would you feel if you had to render a judgement for mankind? To be so privileged to walk with men who had this connection - what I have now is my heart and some education - and God willing His Spirit - all I see is myself  - guilty - yet willing to learn

microlink:
Hi JFK,


--- Quote ---One major point.  You say, "It is up to us individually to yield to His will in humility".  Not quite so.
Everything is dependent on God.  He alone is Sovereign.  It is God Who makes, guides, leads, directs (whatever verb you want to use) us to yield to His will.
If God is waiting on us to yield to His will, then that means we are in charge, not God.
Nothing happens without God's say so.  God is responsible for everything.  The Scriptures tell us that even a little bird does not die unless the Father says so.

--- End quote ---

Yes I see the point you are making and I agree. Thank you!

Php_2:13  For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure

G. Driggs:
Ive thought a lot about this over the years and you've gotten lots of great answers, I just wanna add a little bit as it is a great discussion.   :)

Many experience evil, but only a few are judged, chastened, corrected and overcome in this age. You wont even know its happening till you look behind you and see how far you've come. Maybe we don't know till near the end, kinda like Paul when he said he had finished the race and there was a crown waiting for him. But like Paul you gotta keep fighting, working out your own salvation "with fear and trembling", cause you don't know.

I thought this quote from Ray was kinda relevant.

http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3849.0.html


All these things take a lifetime.  We’re going to live "the seals."  A third part of the man died... that’s a third part of the man in us that is going to die, a third part of the carnality.  God works in increments, He wipes out some of the trees and then He burns some of the grass… what is the trees and the grass?  These are all things in us. We have islands, and mountains, and trees, and grass. All of these are belief systems and ideas and doctrines and philosophies of life and all these things. And they are all going to be burned out and broken down and destroyed. All of those seven seals, seven trumpets, seven plagues, they are all things that must happen in our lives.

You say, 'Well I don’t remember any trees being burned down.'  First of all, you won’t even know some of it is happening until it’s over.  Some of you will remember, I have this in my Lake of Fire Series: “And I was in the spirit on the Lord’s Day and I heard a voice BEHIND me as the voice of a trumpet and I turned to see the voice that spoke to me and being turned I saw…”  You won’t see some of these things until they are behind you.  You’re going to have to look behind you to see where you came from, to see where God has been taking you.  Some of us wouldn’t want to live tomorrow if we knew what was coming, you know.  Be thankful that you don’t know everything that’s coming.  Be thankful that you only have to take one day at a time.  You don’t want to know what every day has to hold.  Take it one day at a time as God presents it to you.

And there will come a time, when you can look behind you, as I can, and see where God’s been taking you all these years.  You’ll see it plain as day. I could sit here for hours and tell you all about it.  I can tell you about trees and grass and mountains coming down, I know what it means.  It’s all one, all this stuff.  Are you getting it?  It’s all one thing.  Whether you believe on Christ or enter the door of Christ or call upon the name of Christ or accept His grace through the faith of Christ, it’s all one thing.  It’s all Christ coming to you, living His life in you!

You notice how many things in Revelation are described as “for a times, time and half a time” - “for a year, years, and half a year” - “for a season, seasons, and half a season” - “for 42 months” - "for 1260 days."  How much is 3½ years, 3½ seasons, 1260 days and 42 months?  How much is that?  It’s all the same!  It’s a symbol of something spiritual.  I think I can prove, although it’s not as easy as you might think, that Christ’s ministry lasted 3½ years.  You know how long that is?  42 months - 1260 days...  Why do we have these, why are they in there?  Why is that over and over in there?  Because Christ lived in the flesh in his ministry for 1260 days, 42 months, 3½ years.  He’s going to live that ministry in us!

And that’s why we live these things that take 42 months, 1260 days and 3½ years. And that 3½ years will be His ministry.  Maybe it will take 4½ years to live His ministry in us, maybe it will take 40½ years… it’s a symbol, however long it takes.  And it’s going to go through this generation of believers and then this one, then this one and on and on because Jesus Christ is, was and will be.  He’s not in the past and coming again in the future, He’s here now!  And He was here before and He’ll be there in the future, He is, was and will be!

Well, I’ll end with that
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Is God producing good fruit from you with His pruning? Is the world repenting of it's sins at the moment?

2Co_7:10  Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.

se7en:
2Co_7:10  Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.

I loved that you posted that Driggs. Outstanding!

And why does Godly sorrow bring repentance that leads to salvation with no regret?

Because.....

Eph 1:11-12  In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory.

Because we have been given eyes to see and ears to hear and understand... It's ALL of Him.

Absolutely beautiful!!!!!

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