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Nathan:

--- Quote ---Maybe being an Elect of God requires you to physically die also?
--- End quote ---

Not true. The elect that are alive at Christ's coming, who are changed in the twinkling of an eye, certainly are not dead physically.

dodrill:
How can I being someone who by Grace has been given this time to examine the evidence in the scriptures (and relevant personal freedom) be thinking I am selected to know these truths?
No - even an elect? I think we fool ourselves thinking because we have this knowledge and exposure that we are the generation - hey if I walk on passed the brother that is beaten down by robbers - I am a hypocrite
we are so privileged to not have experienced real hardships - yes personal ones we all endure
Jesus came to do His Father's work - which was making the law spiritual - last I looked - I was still a (wo)man
what I learn about being spiritual is in my closet - what I take to the world is an advocate of a higher law - this does not make me a pacifist

dodrill:
An after thought - can you imagine if Peter had taken the Gospel east and not west?
At least in the east they acknowledge there was a sovereign power - be it their years of intimidation and over lording - but still a mindset
For me as a Westerner - I still have to learn to share :)
love you all

Kat:

Hi theophilus,

1Tim 2:1  Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men,
v. 2  for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence.

This Scripture that you brought forward to be considered cannot be denied as to what it is saying. It is true Christ said He did not pray for the world, and we do understand that this age is what it is and will not change. But what is being said in 1st Timothy is concerning the believers and how they live in this age. Now there is no need to pray for 'world' peace or even peace in the middle east to come in this age, that will only happen when Christ returns in the next age.

But if you think back to the time of the kings of Israel there were some whom God called righteous and under their rule the people prospered and then there were those wicked kings and under those the people suffered. So what I think this Scripture is saying is we can pray for individuals that make decisions that effect us and our families.

I have no interest in getting involved in politics to any degree, I don't think that means pray for the nature of this world's government to change. But when we know about people in positions that make decisions that can directly effect the quiet and peace of our lives, well of course it is good to pray about that.

Even Ray said God inspires people to pray when He intends to bless or do favors for us. I can see how in His stirring us to pray about something He intends to do thatit would help us come to trust and seek God even more. He wants us to turn to Him with all of our concerns and needs. So I do think praying for those "kings and all who are in authority" when they can directly effect us is a good thing to do.

http://bible-truths.com/praying.htm --------------

No man has ever in the history of the world received an answer to a prayer for something from God that God did not already have in His plan to give him. People hate the very thought of a God Who is totally and completely Sovereign, and the reason is simple. If God is Sovereign, then man has no free will that can thwart the sovereign foreknowledge of God. God cannot know for certain a future event if mankind possesses a power that can thwart God’s perfect foreknowledge. Not even most of the greatest minds in theology have thought this apparent enigma through. Had they given sufficient thought to this Truth of God’s Word they would not be teaching such a plethora of unscriptural and damnable heresies.

When God wants to answer someone’s prayer, the first thing He will always do is inspire (cause) that person TO PRAY. How can God answer a "prayer" if someone doesn’t "pray?" God can bless us and do favors for us, but God cannot answer our prayers, if we don’t pray. That is why I get excited when I feel inspired to pray, as I am encouraged that God is getting ready to bless or favor me in some way.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat

rickylittleton:
Just to add my 2 cents in; just think about the many so call "wars" that are going on in many countries and nations that we don't even hear about. One example is on the content of Africa. Many places on that content are at peace, but there are many places that are at war at this very moment, and we don't hear about it too often. Being of African American decent,  and try to study the things there, there are some people who I know who live there and often I hear some news of what is going on, but it not reported in the U S news. Also in other nations, and on other contents, many so call "wars" are going on at this very moment, but we must trust in the words of Jesus when He said, "When we hear of these things, be not"alarmed", for it must needs happen,-But not yet is the end" For there will arise- Nation against nation, And kingdom against kingdom. Just wanted to add, as I said my "2 cents" in. Tim

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